Obama Wins - Layoffs Starting

Originally posted by 1PLA1

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
How is Obama making businesses lay off it's employees? Where is the connection?

Are you really that uninformed?

No repeal of obmamcare; higher energy prices due to more regulation; higher taxes; ect. etc, etc.

The American people have basically handed the country over to destruction.

No chicken little I am not that uninformed. The sky is not falling in my world.

However, clearly your world is.

What you stated are not legitimate reasons to fire employees.

Hey look out! There's a big fluffy cloud coming your way! Duckkkkk!!!

What we have here is ... big banks, big business and million dollar bonus corporate CEOs throwing temper tantrums because they may have to actually cut into their record breaking profits to actually have to pull their own weight and take care of their employees, oh my bleeding heart ... not.

If they can't set the rules to the game and keep the profits for themselves they want the system to crumble, fine ... I hope they go first and someone willing to play the game by the rules and share the profits of a business steps in to take their place.

Nothing but corporate greed rearing its ugly, selfish head here ...

reply to post by jtma508


Yes the economy is really healthy right now. Listen to yourself.

We have record unemployment. THAT is a fact no matter how you try to spin things for your dear leader.

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Current regualtions and those that are coming into effect in January are stifling growth. It's costing companies fat cash.

I wouldn't run a company to take care of people, but rather to make a profit. That in a nutshell is what business is all about.

If my company makes a product that people want, then I reward my employees as well. But if Government is regulating me to death, then I will have to lay some off or go out of business.

Uhhhh....Nope!

According to OMB...Obama has issued LESS and has less regulations in the works than either Pres. GW Bush or Clinton.

Charges by Republicans and some in business that the Obama administration has unleashed a flurry of regulations during the past three and a half years do not stand up to careful analysis, according to a new study by the nonprofit OMB Watch.

In a report titled “The Regulatory Tsunami That Wasn't,” regulatory analysts Randy Rabinowitz and Matt La Tronica compared cross-administration data from the White House Office Information and Regulatory Affairs and concluded that during the first 42 months of the Clinton administration, OIRA approved 76 percent more rules than the Obama administration and during a comparable period for the first George W. Bush administration approved more than 5 percent more rules.

“There is little difference between the Obama administration and past administrations in their overall level of regulatory activity,” they wrote. “The number of pending regulations leading into this election year is remarkably similar to comparable time periods under past administrations and does not provide any evidence of plans for an avalanche of regulations to come.”

www.govexec.com...

Maybe try a different thread of BS beyond regulations? Maybe work the "socialist" angle for while? CEOs hate solcialism, so they will punish the masses for voting Obama?? Yep! That works!

reply to post by TDawgRex


What? Where do you live? Gas here is lower than it has been for months. We are at 3.25 a gallon at the Flying J up on I-81. The "in town" stations are running at about 3.29

For companies to be pulling this thing already is just spite. They tried to strong arm their employees into voting for the plutocrats and it didn't work so "I'll show you now".

I completely disagree with Obamacare, I despise being told I have to buy something from a private company....that is not freedom.

However... I am pretty sure that if you are really-really clever, you can figure out ways around that 50 employee borderline. It really depends on the type of business you are in. If it's possible, you just break your company down into smaller, separate companies...which in itself has certain advantages.

For example...if you are a general contractor, you create a sales and engineering company...a concrete company, an electrical, carpentry, plumbing, steel, whatever...each "new" company is contracted to the old main company but you leave the illusion open that you are open market and will take outside work. Doing this assures that no "independent" companies numbers will never exceed the maximum and you can claim certain costs and losses....actually a very clever way to do things if you stop and think about it.

Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by jtma508

 

Yes the economy is really healthy right now. Listen to yourself.

We have record unemployment. THAT is a fact no matter how you try to spin things for your dear leader.

I think you meant our "President"? "Dear Leader" was an honorific most often associated with Adolph Hitler.

I understand you turn the phrase so often as to likely not even realize how offensive it is to infer the President of the United States is akin to Hitler, but I would suggest it is exactly that "unthinking" tone that led the GOP the shock and dissapointment they experienced last night.

Just sayin...If everyone works a little harder to act like grown ups?.....

Originally posted by Indigo5

You do realize that the price of gas is set in the global markets? Or that in order for President to even slightly effect the price of gas he would need to Nationalize the oil industry?

Or is this a reality free zone?

You don't pay taxes on your gas?

The actual costs of the oil, the part governed by global markets, is usually in the range of 45-55% of the cost.

reply to post by jtma508


then what do the numbers say over economic growth and investment level with current policy

Being a six figure statistics person can you elaborate on the game theory methodology you used to arrive at your conclusion


I cant wait to see the numbers....

reply to post by Indigo5


common sense is not common

If everyone would do that neither party would have won last night...

reply to post by Indigo5


He promotes fascism. If the shoe fits...

First off, The economy is going off a cliff! This is no secret if you look at the evidence that the economy is still a slow motion train wreck. The economy has never bottomed out and we have been sliding down hill since 2008 when the "borrow and spend" bubble economy popped.

Expect layoffs; expect austerity from government budget cuts to shrink our GDP ....... which leads to further cuts; then further layoffs/foreclosures/tax seizures

This would be happening even if Romney had been elected. The trillions of digital ponzi dollars that the FED pumped in to our economy did not revive it because it can not be revived without a drastic increase US manufacturing.

reply to post by Jeremiah65


I work nights and haven't been to the pumps yet. I will be looking to see if this is BS or not.

The way I see it is that the election is over, yet the divide continues to grow.

We now have four more years to see how all this plays out.

But currently, I see the US going the way of Greece. And has been for some time now.

reply to post by Indigo5


I tend to listen to what the business people are saying, rather than policy wonks.

I guess we'll see what history says.

Look at market prices. What is happening in the markets won't be reflected at the pumps for a while. New taxes will show up in January. Remember in January to pay attention.

Originally posted by ninjamikec
reply to post by PLASIFISK

 

because the CEO's have to make 9 million a yr while obama is president and not 15 million if romney was president

You just don't get it, do you? This is why Obama ultimately won, people like you and your "damn the rich for having money" mentality, espoused while having ZERO clue about how businesses run. You think the economy was bad before? Just wait, it's about to get a whole lot worse.

Interesting to see how people spin this. For those wanting more information.

The company is in internet technology, 2 years old, with 200+ employees. The people making this decision I know support Obama on social issues but they also run a business. The company has seen huge growth in the past 2 years and has a lot of investment.

The budget process happens in October but announcements were delayed till the morning telling me that they did wait for the election.

The decision to cut the department I am in will not impact our ability to deliver and sell services but it does indicate a decision to cut expenses and slow the growth of the company which means they have a negative outlook on our growth and expect the margins to narrow.

Those are just the facts. The company isn't run by a gun-toting Republican yelling at Obama supporters, quite the opposite in fact.

reply to post by Koros

You just don't get it, do you? This is why Obama ultimately won, people like you and your "damn the rich for having money" mentality, espoused while having ZERO clue about how businesses run. You think the economy was bad before? Just wait, it's about to get a whole lot worse.

It's actually YOU who appear ignorant. Companies that lay off people because they are too scared about the economy are the problem.

What this country needs to do is to reject companies that lay off people because of who is in office and start supporting companies that hire when times are tough and have actually expanded their business during a recession.

We should track companies that lay off employees because of who is in office and boycott their products and services and give that business instead to their competitors who aren't trying to make a political statement with people's jobs.

No, the economy will recover, it has already started to recover, it's time that people help this recovery along instead of trying to hijack the political process by artificially stagnating the economy over petty political differences.

Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by Indigo5

You do realize that the price of gas is set in the global markets? Or that in order for President to even slightly effect the price of gas he would need to Nationalize the oil industry?

Or is this a reality free zone?

You don't pay taxes on your gas?

Which has remained unchanged since 1994...explain to me again how President Obama's re-election caused gas prices to rise?

reply to post by TDawgRex


I'm in the Winchester, VA area, the Flying J I am talking about is right at the border with West Virginia along I-81...exit 323 I think. My wife went past there this morning and fueled up...it is what it is.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Indigo5

 

I tend to listen to what the business people are saying, rather than policy wonks.

And I own 2 busineses and employ 9 people. I don't have the luxury of believing idealogical BS about economics, BS costs money...same goes for my fortune 500 clients. The only layoffs directly related to this election are at the Romney campaign.