Uneducated poor people are killing this country

Today as I was driving home from class, as usual I was listening to a talk show on the radio. The hosts of the show receive an email from a woman that goes something like this:

“Hello I am a single mother of four and the power in my apartment has been shut off recently. I am asking for donations or anything that will help my family through these tough times.”

She signed the email with her name, we’ll just call her “B” for now, and left her address at the bottom. After the first host read this email on the air, B called in and talked to the two hosts. As they talk to and question her about normal things (where are you from? Where is the father of your kids/why doesn’t he help you out? Etc..) she gives up some interesting information. She has four children with three different men; none of these men pay child support for whatever reason. She lives on welfare and food stamps and has no job so she can take care of her children. As the hosts dissect her story further, the story becomes more and more shady. One of the hosts offers her a few space heaters he doesn’t use so she can heat her home; she declines because she doesn’t feel safe using them around her small children. She then states she’s specifically asking for money. This leads to me speculating that she’s a drug addict just trying to get a hand out for a quick fix. I do judge people too quickly so I continue listening to the “interview” and brush my speculation aside for a while.

So far we have this woman, B, who:
• Is asking for money to take care of her kids
• Has four kids with three different men
• None of the men pay child support
• Declines donations of items

As the “interview” progresses she reveals some more interesting information. The hosts ask if she has a current boyfriend who can help her out. She answers yes but he isn’t working because he does odd jobs like construction and fix it jobs and the weather hasn’t really allowed him much work. She then states that he doesn’t like children so her children have been living with relatives for a while. Now this seems even shadier especially since she was asking for money to help her children. The hosts go on to question her about her previous children and why she didn’t use contraception. She claims it’s too expensive. I am cracking up at this point because for some reason she believes condoms are more expensive than children.

The story progresses further and she reveals that she first got pregnant when she was sixteen (she told the hosts she’s now twenty-four.) The hosts ask her what her parents thought of this, and B replies “they didn’t really care; my parents felt I was old enough to make my own decisions.” Obviously her parents failed to teach much about life.

Let’s take a minute to recap, she:
• Is asking for money to take care of her kids
• Has four kids with three different men
• None of the men pay child support
• Declines donations of items
• Her current boyfriend is out of work
o Also he doesn’t like children
• Her children are living with relatives
• Claims contraception is too expensive to use
• First became pregnant at sixteen

The hosts question her further, asking her things about what she owns. She tells them that she has an iPhone and cable complete with all the channels, but her power and cable have been shut off due to her lack of paying bills. She can’t pay her bills because she doesn’t have a job and relies on welfare and food stamps to feed her, her children, and her boyfriend.

The interview pretty much ends here because the hosts are running short on time left in their show. Before she ends the call she asks again for anyone listening, and the hosts, to donate money to her.

It’s people like this that irritate me to no end. If you are trying to care for a family and you rely on the taxpayers to feed you, why would you spend what money you have on things like an iPhone and premium cable? I know those things are nice but I would much rather have warmth and food if I had to choose between the two.

This is my first thread so I hope it makes sense and was easy to follow
-Holiday

reply to post by Holidakd


Some people have no shame.Sounds like it's the 'brass neck of the junkie'.
Give people like that nothing.
Saying that someone must fall for it or they wouldn't bother.

I feel your pain. It's not much different where I live (UK). I see it on a daily basis.

You can instantly tell when a person wants a child or whether they see a child as a means of getting money/welfare. You can see it by how they treat them and every time I see it I am so effing thank full that I had a relatively normal upbringing.

I don't really pretend to know what can be done about people like that. Arguably it's too late for some of them because they don't know any better and have been bought up without morals. How do you change someone and make them take responsibility when they have never had to?

Some people just make me shake my head... BTW I've heard the 'Contraception is expensive' before and that in a country that pretty much hands them out for FREE anywhere...

EPIC-SIGH

I think your wrong. You're using one small situation to define a group of people. That's stereotyping. Most of the uneducated poor that I've met are actually the most decent, normal, honest, innocent, low stress, spiritual, loving, non ego, happy people I've come across.

Once people start to get education and money that's where the problems start. Look at TPTB they want to kill off most of the world, in essence they've lost all sense of innocence and have become psychopaths.

Jesus said that to enter heaven we must become like little children. To some degree he's saying that's the idea stat to live in. And kids are generally uneducated and poor, but there also the most happy and have the most fun out of anyone in society!

Instead we have it backward where we think money and success will somehow make us happy or solve all our problems. When infact they only further enslave us. TPTB would love people to think it's the uneducated poor people are killing this country when infact it's TPTB and MSM!

They're the ones who ship all the jobs overseas, who poison us, who raise our taxes and add more taxes, who create more and more laws and fine and fees and anything they possible can to steal from us, who rob us of ur sons and daughters and ship them off to war to be sacrificed to satan, who lie to us 24/7 on CNN and other BS media, who brainwash us, trick us, get us into debt etc etc... and I could obviously go on and on. There's the problem

reply to post by Holidakd


Interesting story. Now...if I were to judge her situation...that isn't very empathetic...its not my place to judge anyone since I haven't been in their shoes...However...its also not my place to enable them and its not my place to take care of them...

I think people feel judgmental of others because were too entwined socially because of crap like taxes and welfare...

I agree that this woman seems like she could be taking advantage of the system and preying on the kindness of others. I also agree that there are people that do this.

I do not agree that "uneducated poor people are killing this country." I think that's a pretty blanket statement and it's kind of insulting.

More so, this country can't continue the way it's going for long and so a change is going to be forced but to say that the problems our country is having is due to the "uneducated poor" is a cop out. By saying that you are simplifying a complex problem.

reply to post by Holidakd


Yep, leeches. They're everywhere. I see those parasites every day. I'm a single father, I work full time, got trouble making ends meet but I manage through bill juggling. I'm pretty sure lots of you know what that is. Went to the food bank a couple of times...that was hard. Ego thing I guess. But those people... And I pay for that!

People like the woman you describe tend to be uneducated, yet we have a presidential candidate that wants to cut education. Studies consistently show that educated people make more money, have less children, and instead of taking from the system contribute to it.

It seems most who complain about the poor lean toward "conservative" values, listen to "conservative" radio and news, and support a candidate who would increase defense spending while cutting education and medical spending. I wonder how these people reconcile this contradiction in their minds.

I'm not sure that you are one of these people, but based the OP I would bet you are.

I'm not saying what this woman is doing is right, either; only that the " conservative" agenda put forth by the neo- conservative right only serves to make more and more of these people.

Sometimes you get the feeling that the ultimate goal of neo-conservatives is to create a country full of poor, stupid people who's only choice is to join the armed forces.

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
People like the woman you describe tend to be uneducated, yet we have a presidential candidate that wants to cut education. Studies consistently show that educated people make more money, have less children, and instead of taking from the system contribute to it.

It seems most who complain about the poor lean toward "conservative" values, listen to "conservative" radio and news, and support a candidate who would increase defense spending while cutting education and medical spending. I wonder how these people reconcile this contradiction in their minds.

I'm not sure that you are one of these people, but based the OP I would bet you are.

I'm not saying what this woman is doing is right, either; only that the " conservative" agenda put forth by the neo- conservative right only serves to make more and more of these people.

Sometimes you get the feeling that the ultimate goal of neo-conservatives is to create a country full of poor, stupid people who's only choice is to join the armed forces.

I am glad there are good people like Tinkerhouse in the world.



I agree with everyting you said.

Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by Holidakd

 

Yep, leeches. They're everywhere. I see those parasites every day. I'm a single father, I work full time, got trouble making ends meet but I manage through bill juggling. I'm pretty sure lots of you know what that is. Went to the food bank a couple of times...that was hard. Ego thing I guess. But those people...

And I pay for that!

Actually, if you're a single father with low income, as it sounds, you get a huge benefit every tax season, and can use your situation to get a free college education and better the lives of yourself and your child/children. All thanks to the system you hate.

reply to post by Holidakd

"In the English merchant service. Cabin-boy at twelve, ship's boy at fourteen, ordinary seaman at sixteen, able seaman at seventeen, and cock of the fo'c'sle, infinite ambition and infinite loneliness, receiving neither help nor sympathy, I did it all for myself -- navigation, mathematics, science, literature, and what not. And of what use has it been? Master and owner of a ship at the top of my life, as you say, when I am beginning to diminish and die. Paltry, isn't it? And when the sun was up I was scorched, and because I had no root withered away."

"But history tells of slaves who rose to the purple," I chided.

"And history tells of opportunities that came to the slaves who rose to the purple," he answered grimly. "No man makes opportunity. All the great men ever did was to know it when it came to them. The Corsican knew. I have dreamed as greatly as the Corsican. I should have known the opportunity, but it never came. The thorns sprung up and choked me. And, Hump, I can tell you that you know more about me than any living man, except my own brother."

classiclit.about.com...

Somehow I get the impression that this poor girl wasny planted in the most furtile soil.

reply to post by Hefficide


I actually had the same gut feeling - that this caller was an actor and the story contrived to serve the agenda of the show and it's target audience. I kept it quiet because it was just a hunch...but if this is the case it's par for the course.

No evidence of her being poor or uneducated. She could just be a con-artist trying to steel money... That is what it sounds like to me. Who knows, maybe she doesn't even have any kids.

Like someone said above me, some people have no shame.

No....Educated,Super wealthy Bankers and corp. CEO's are killing this country,the proof is as they say in the pudding.So take your attacks against the poor and turn them inward against your Elite owners.As for the manipulating women your referring to...come on man this country was founded upon the very same evil manipulative misleading tripe...and ya know it's true

I'm sorry maybe my title was a little too general. I had a hard time coming up with a title and just kind of went withe the first thing that came to mind.
The underlying thing I'm trying to convey in my OP is the fact that people who are in an economical bind and choose to spend their money on "wants" instead of "needs"
It is a conservative radio show and I do tend to lean toward the conservative side but I don't want to bring politics into this.
Maybe my title should have been "carelessness is killing this country" because this woman did act very careless.

Lets just be thankful none of us are the Father to any of her numerous progeny! Or are we??? Come on whos the Daddy? Own up! LoL

I will add that if i had the cash and she needed it for her kids then i would give it to her! Its only money!

reply to post by Holidakd


Good first thread. Too bad you didn't manage to get the audio...I'm sure I would either be laughing my butt off while simultaneously throwing things.

This person is a sign of the entitlement society that is growing before our very eyes.

reply to post by TinkerHaus


Tink, I usually like your posts,

But much the same can be said about the other side of the aisle.

Education should be up to the parents of the child, not the state.

And if the parents don't educate, well then, the mean streets of life will do it for them.

We see it every day.

How does this story relate to uneducated poor people? Your ignorance runs deeper than scholastic didactics.

The alleged addiction/psychological/emotional issues that this woman faces are in diminutive proportions to her education or personal wealth. Your approach to this woman's apparent “self-made” plight does however speak volumes toward your willing nescience. Keeping going to school. It won't help you much. The attunement your thinking needs can't be found through erudition. The same way that her moral dilemmas will not be solved with learning or money.

P.S. I am uneducated and spent more than a decade below the poverty line. I would invite you to elucidate on how I was (am) killing this country.