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reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 08:25 AM by samlf3rd
reply to post by Holidakd



Unreasonable vent:
Finally another human being who understands that the majority of people on welfare are "living it up". Why do we give these people money? Work you lazy ers. Do you think any of us wanna wake up and work? Now I have to work harder to pay for lazy people to survive? Screw that. I will donate something to that woman today-I promise. I will (in her honor) go purchase something today totally worthless just because it is my money that I worked very very hard for.

Reasonable Vent
Don't get me wrong there are no jobs here around Chicago, and the next biggest town over is Detroit, which is a ghost town. They better think of something quick to turn this boat around as we no longer have the money to help these people survive. I don't mind helping old people who have worked like everyone else and require help for food and medical supplies-heck even help with the rent or electric bill, but that is a different story which is the communities responsibility. We should all go to town meetings and have a list of people in our local community who require assistance and our town should work together to help.

Showing up to get your food stamps in an Escalade is a common picture while driving by the food stamp office.It's gotta stop. No more free rides. No more expensive clothing, if you want to be on the free rider list then you should not receive cash money, only Debit transactions from an approved list of places you can spend your money at-that is all. In no sense should these people be allowed to receive cash to buy things that cannot be accounted for, as these programs are trying to set people in the right direction. No?

Take away the free ride and they will work. What I am saying is there are people who really need and depend on that money to stay alive, then you have people like this who are clearly young enough and able to find a job. Oh your children need food? Well "Ms. B." it seems the government said you will have to sell that Escalade before they will provide you with any assistance. That assistance will be taking the $50,000.00 you paid for the Escalade and investing it and spending it wisely. Here is a new rule-if you get assistance you shouldn't be allowed control of your bank account, as their should be a plan in place that takes all the food stamp money (which can only be used at official grocery markets, and businesses who allow purchases of alcohol or non-food related items shall be fined). Then any money which the person makes at work or any other way must be put into that bank account and regulated.

Remember these people want help and assistance in the right direction, so let's help them. You know the thing they go in asking for, while they walk out calling HSN and QVC? They need to be taught how to spend money more wisely, and also how to obtain more skills. Why would Minnesota take away free online learning? Give everyone free education-we need it now more than ever-but remember if your going to give to one give to all! Only the smart survive and thrive. We just want to live and have a good time yet times are hard and we need some help fast. I say it over and over again like Benicio DelToro in fear and loathing: "What the hell are we doing out here in the middle of the dessert? We need help, we need help!".

The Blame:
Each one of us falls victim to being greedy, at least what I have seen in people. The greed just happens, you become tired of working so hard each day you wake earlier to try to make more money and be more productive, and on and on. It's a sad state of the Earth right now. We are hurting the planet and it spins like it always does. Tomorrow the Earth will spin the same and the sun will rise. Yet we all fail to recognize this. For the first time in history the world has never been more united because of technology, acceptance and forgiveness. yet recently as the inhabitants of planet Earth we have begun to fight and argue. We have seen the options to have a better life and they are within grasp, however one man's dream is only a dream. It is the people who share the same visions that help excite the issue into normality.


reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 02:15 PM by SlackOps
Originally posted by chiefsmom

Also, what state does not go after the fathers when you are on assistance? It isn't even your choice, the state takes over.
edit on 31-10-2012 by chiefsmom because: sp


It is true that by the child's second year the state steps in and demands payment unless the parents are married. They go after deadbeat moms too. Whichever parent is not the custodian or "primary caregiver" gets the bill.

However, nothing guarantees that the payments will be made. Delinquency of child support payments can result in incarceration, but this rarely happens. The logic being that if a parent is jailed then they are unable to work, thus realistically cannot pay what is owed to the primary or the state. (a good chunk of child support goes toward court costs, or a state administration fee.)

About the only real consequences to not paying child support are the denial of passport privilege and having your income tax return sent straight to the state capital instead of your mailbox. There are exceptions of course, but most delinquents just get hauled into court, a finger wagged at them by a judge, and made to cough up an amount of payment nominal to the balance owed or they spend the night in lockup. If unemployed, they might be court ordered to get a job within x number of days. (30 seems to be a popular number downtown.)

It is easy to track down most delinquents through income tax claims, but its also easy to find a cash-on-the-barrel job or just sell dope.

I'm not sure how it goes in other states, but there are so many delinquent cases that the state outsources a private collection agency to hound them. They can only refer a case to the courts. It doesn't mean anything ever really happens. Even still, a delinquent parent can just throw a few bucks at the bureaucracy (a legitimate bribe) to put them off the trail. Kind of like how sending $20 bucks to a credit company as payment on a $20,000 debt will get them to stop calling for a while...

Regarding the OP:

Freeloaders probably are the majority benefiting from welfare. Disability aside, there is no discernible reason why most of the people in line at the welfare office shouldn't be at work. Even still, most of disabled people that I've encountered are still able and willing do some kind of work. I've been by the welfare office. Most people there seemed to be in fairly good health in spite of eating from a McD's bag while waiting for their case worker. If most of these folks are smart enough to to fill out the paperwork, determined enough to wait in line for hours on end, and have the strength to bear offspring or even walk across the street for a combo meal (and stomach it)... then surely there is something they can do to not be a drain on society.

Why aren't most of these folks factory workers? (rhetorical question)

What should be done to challenge the situation? (Please don't say "vote".)

Many would argue the simple answer is to abolish welfare altogether. Is that even a realistic option?

As far as education goes... well, you can lead a horse to water...


reply posted on 2-11-2012 @ 05:06 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by SaturnFX



You lost me when you said "Infallable computers". Im an I.T technician(Electronic and Electrical Engineer by trade). There is no such thing as an infallable system im afraid. There never will be anything produced by Man thats Infallable. Thats because we are fallable, to err is Human!

Your talking about instigating a eugenics program. You cant do that, atleast not openly! LoL
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