Originally posted by SrWingCommander
Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by SrWingCommander
Where is the revisionist history so much in full swing, or what do you mean by revisionist might be more to the point. Did you know that 'Little boy' had a target, the Aioi Bridge, which it says missed by only 800ft say, WTF it was an airburst explosion, no crater.
I am not even sure what your saying.
Revisionist as in, "oh, the US is the Bad Guys, they shouldn't have dropped a big ole' bomb". It was TOTAL WAR, WWII......not Vietnam, not Iraq...but TOTAL WAR...They had ample reason, it wasn't taken lightly, it wasn't just to "test' it.They did it to end the war and save lives of both sides.
Yes it had a target, yes it was airburst, and no there was no discernable crater.....what's your point?
Some one brought up civillian casualties in the Iraq war. there are numerous numbers of civillian death, and what you brought up is the highest number I recall.
Most of those deaths are due to sectarian violence.
Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by FortAnthem
Monday morning arm chair quarterback.
The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan
General (and later president) Dwight Eisenhower
Admiral William Leahy – the highest ranking member of the U.S. military from 1942 until retiring in 1949
General Douglas MacArthur
Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy
Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird
General Curtis LeMay, the tough cigar-smoking Army Air Force “hawk”
Vice Chairman of the U.S. Bombing Survey Paul Nitze
Deputy Director of the Office of Naval Intelligence Ellis Zacharias
Brigadier General Carter Clarke – the military intelligence officer in charge of preparing summaries of intercepted Japanese cables for President Truman
U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz
General Sir Hastings Ismay, Chief of Staff to the British Minister of Defence
Under Secretary of State Joseph Grew
Originally posted by PrplHrt
Does it even matter to the naysayers in this thread that thousands of Americans might have died in an assault on the Japanese homeland, or does covering your own butt in war not count anymore?
American officials, having long since broken Japan's secret codes, knew from intercepted messages that the country's leaders were seeking to end the war on terms as favorable as possible. Details of these efforts were known from decoded secret communications between the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo and Japanese diplomats abroad.
In his 1965 study, Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam (pp. 107, 108), historian Gar Alperovitz writes:
Although Japanese peace feelers had been sent out as early as September 1944 (and [China's] Chiang Kai-shek had been approached regarding surrender possibilities in December 1944), the real effort to end the war began in the spring of 1945. This effort stressed the role of the Soviet Union ...
In mid-April  the [US] Joint Intelligence Committee reported that Japanese leaders were looking for a way to modify the surrender terms to end the war. The State Department was convinced the Emperor was actively seeking a way to stop the fighting.
It was only after the war that the American public learned about Japan's efforts to bring the conflict to an end. Chicago Tribune reporter Walter Trohan, for example, was obliged by wartime censorship to withhold for seven months one of the most important stories of the war.
In an article that finally appeared August 19, 1945, on the front pages of the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald, Trohan revealed that on January 20, 1945, two days prior to his departure for the Yalta meeting with Stalin and Churchill, President Roosevelt received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. (The complete text of Trohan's article is in the Winter 1985-86 Journal, pp. 508-512.)
This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
Japan was ready to surrender to the Allies long before the bomb was dropped.
Originally posted by Soloro
It's really unfortunate our leaders, at times, didn't have the benevolence and strength of heart to come up with alternative solutions, .
Roosevelt and his subordinates knew they were putting Japan in an untenable position and that the Japanese government might well try to escape the stranglehold by going to war. Having broken the Japanese diplomatic code, the Americans knew, among many other things, what Foreign Minister Teijiro Toyoda had communicated to Ambassador Kichisaburo Nomura on July 31: “Commercial and economic relations between Japan and third countries, led by England and the United States, are gradually becoming so horribly strained that we cannot endure it much longer. Consequently, our Empire, to save its very life, must take measures to secure the raw materials of the South Seas.