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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by babloyi
If it is a problem of "What defines X religion?" then the book would indeed be the best and most accurate description, more so than any school or TV channel.
If the book was the most accurate description of Islam, and if preachers used the book as a reference...then you can bet that the anti-Islam preachers would be out of business.
I see a LOT of people attacking Islam on these forums.
Yet, NONE of them acknowledge that Islam sees the Jesus of the bible as the Islamic messiah.
Interesting isn't it?
Muslims accept an Israelite....a JEW as their messiah and yet, are constantly misunderstood as being opposed to Christianity.
The Jews however, are the ONLY people whos religious beliefs are incompatible with Jesus...they insult Jesus and his mother and yet, Christians support them over Muslims.
Yes Muslims accept Christ as a chosen one (Messiah).
All the ancient Hebrew Prophets were chosen ones as well, so were the Hebrew kings. In fact so was Cyrus the great, who killed many Hebrews. Christians see Jesus as the final Messiah, the last Adam.
Is it "THE" Islamic messiah or "AN" Islamic Messiah, when refferring to Jesus
Who and what is the Mahdi we hear so much about, isnt that supposed to be the Islamic messiah
and why do Christians support Jews and not Muslims, well Jews dont hold knives to Christians throats and demand they deny Jesus as saviour.
Where do you stand on those actions Skorp?
www.jihadwatch.org...
www.compassdirect.org...
Jesus says:
27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
—Luke 6:27–31 KJV
Many Christians see the word Messiah referring only to Christ. Messiah is a generic term for, chosen one of God.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by borntowatch
Many Christians see the word Messiah referring only to Christ. Messiah is a generic term for, chosen one of God.
Never heard that one before.
I'd like other Christians to comment on this.
From what I know, Christians believe that "messiah" refers ONLY to Jesus.
Originally posted by CJS4life
reply to post by MamaJ
Islam actually believes Christians and Jews can get to heaven, but believe they are the one true religion. They believe it is more about a persons deeds.
If the Mahdi is indeed chosen by your god as you say, I would expect him to be your messiah.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by borntowatch
If the Mahdi is indeed chosen by your god as you say, I would expect him to be your messiah.
You "expect" him to be the messiah,but the Koran itself declares Jesus to be the messiah.
The truth stands even if people deny it.
Did you not understand what Messiah meant, I accept John the Baptist as a messiah, King David, the Syrian King Cyrus, all messiahs.
Originally posted by borntowatch
Evidence???
Muslims have many denominations who are at each others throats, not just Christian and Jewish throats. Heard of the Sunni, Shi'as or the Sufis Wahhabis, Salafis Muslims, Kharijis, Druzes Bahais and what not.
Originally posted by borntowatch
Did you not understand what Messiah meant, I accept John the Baptist as a messiah, King David, the Syrian King Cyrus, all messiahs.
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by borntowatch
Originally posted by borntowatch
Evidence???
Muslims have many denominations who are at each others throats, not just Christian and Jewish throats. Heard of the Sunni, Shi'as or the Sufis Wahhabis, Salafis Muslims, Kharijis, Druzes Bahais and what not.
The different sects of Islam have no bearing on the fact that all muslims accept Jesus as the Messiah. Also, Bahais aren't muslims (they don't self-identify as muslims).
Originally posted by borntowatch
Did you not understand what Messiah meant, I accept John the Baptist as a messiah, King David, the Syrian King Cyrus, all messiahs.
I'm not sure you understand what "the Messiah" means. For example, despite whatever you may believe, John the Baptist specifically denies being the Messiah (John 1:20). It seems you are translating "Christ" as "Saviour" instead of "Messiah". I'm not sure you didn't know, but Christ means Messiah. "Christos" is "Annointed One" in greek. Odd that that is the title that stuck with him, rather than "Jesus Soter" which is what it would be instead.
It is true there were many "annointed ones" in the Old Testament. There was only one prophesied Messiah, however. Odd thing about "Saviour" though, is it isn't as exclusive as you think. The Old Testament had a number of them, such as Ehud, son of Gera, who was one of the Biblical Judges (and not "annointed" as a Messiah, nevermind THE Messiah).edit on 18-10-2012 by babloyi because: (no reason given)edit on 18-10-2012 by babloyi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by borntowatch
Did you not understand what Messiah meant, I accept John the Baptist as a messiah, King David, the Syrian King Cyrus, all messiahs.
This is the part which is debatable.
Messiah is a title which is exclusive to Jesus.
Do you have a biblical quote to support your claim that those people were all messiahs?
Your idea of them all being "messiahs" is unheard of and I'd like a a second opinion from other Christians.
Originally posted by borntowatch
One prophesied Messiah many Messiahs
The statement was "A" Messiah as opposed to "THE" Messiah
Go learn to read text properly please.
Originally posted by borntowatch
Bahais comes from Islam, I dont care how they identify themselves. They are from Islam, simple. There is no conjecture read the any book and they are an offshoot of Islam.
John the Baptist specifically denies being the Messiah (John 1:20). It seems you are translating "Christ" as "Saviour" instead of "Messiah".
Originally posted by babloyi
Hahahahaha...then in the same way, Islam is an offshoot of Christianity and Judaism.
You say it isn't about words and semantics, but it is you who started the whole "A" vs "The" and "Messiah" vs "Saviour" thing. The fact of the matter is, undeniably, muslims accept Jesus as THE Messiah, not A Messiah. While the term Messiah, as meaning "Anointed" was used for several people in Judaism, there was ONE prophesied Messiah. So in Christianity, when people talk about the Messiah, they aren't talking about Cyrus or anyone- The Catholics, for example, don't consider their popes Messiahs. Likewise, the only theological connection to "Messiah" in Islam is Jesus. There are no other Messiahs in Islam. The Mahdi is not a Messiah, Muhammad is not a Messiah. Nobody else was. While originally the word may have been for a leader chosen by God, in Islam, the word is used EXCLUSIVELY for Jesus.edit on 18-10-2012 by babloyi because: (no reason given)edit on 18-10-2012 by babloyi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by borntowatch
I am a Christian and dont know any Muslims, I am alive.
Also Christianity grew long before Islam came along, Christians didnt need it then.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Should both Christianity and Islam revert and follow their religious root, Judaism, and recognize that their man created versions of their Gods are evil and reject them as unfit to rule any peaceful loving egalitarian nation?
www.youtube.com...
Regards
DL
and just quietly can you point me in the direction of this peaceful loving egalitarian nation you speak of, I am going there.
Unicorns and fairys I am sure.edit on 17-10-2012 by borntowatch because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by borntowatch
Is it "THE" Islamic messiah or "AN" Islamic Messiah, when refferring to Jesus
Like I said in my previous post, only Jesus has the title of THE messiah. Nobody else.
Not even Mohammad.
Who and what is the Mahdi we hear so much about, isnt that supposed to be the Islamic messiah
The Mahdi is a figure who will appear in the future, but he isn't the messiah.
Many Christian fundamentalists teach the lie that the Mahdi is the messiah, either out of ignorance or because they willingly want to conceal the truth.
edit on 17-10-2012 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)