Originally posted by Dishonored
It was a poor choice of words. Independents would have been a better statement. All I'm saying is that Scotland, like England, has a rich history and
you can see why some Scots would long to restore that history even though they aren't necessarily being oppressed or conquered. And that a vote,
whichever way it goes, would go a long way.
For a long time now, Scotland has been very proud of it's history and is actively encouraged to be proud about it. On the flip side, to be a proud
Englishman is to attract labels of "racist", "bigot" etc simply for wanting to fly the flag. If anything, it is England that needs to reclaim it's
history, for Scotland has never had a problem being proud.
In fact, only today right here on ATS, some moron saw my avatar and made the assumption I was a skinhead, chanting "ENGERLAND!!" who read the Daily
Mail and hated brown people.... Simply for me saying I am a proud Englishman!!
No one would ever say that to someone who had a "Proud Scotsman" tag...
Originally posted by Dishonored
I understand this is not Braveheart, but let's look at the other side of the coin. If it were Scotland that was perceived to be the head of this
union, how would the English feel about it? Sure you're not being oppressed. You weren't conquered. But you've lost your queen. And when people
mention the UK, all they think of is Scotland. I'd want my country back too.
Wooooah.. Hang on. There is no "head of the Union". The Union is simply that, a union, all for one etc. If anyone perceives one country to be the
"head" over another, then that's an external problem, not one we created.
If anything, England is the ignored party. Scotland has a Parliament. Northern Ireland has an Assembly. Wales has an assembly. England? Nothing. Scots
MP's in Westminster can vote on English Law, but the reverse is not true.
Lost our Queen? Did you not read my last post? A Scottish
King ascended the throne in the 17th Century from an English monarch, prior to the
Scots requesting a Union. Again, a twisted version of history being played out here.
And also, if people outside the UK think of England when the UK is mentioned, that's from their ignorance, not our doing. Our last two PM's prior to
Cameron (Scottish descent btw) were Scots.
It is a total myth (and downright malicious in fact) to try and paint out like England has somehow been the superior partner. The only way this ever
bear5s any fruit is by looking at Westminster and seeing most MP's coming from England, but then 75% of the UK's population is in England. it would be
wholly undemocratic to give more seats (and in fact, Scots Westminster seats are disproportionate anyway) to the smaller nations.
Having said that, the Scots especially have enjoyed an enormous
amount of influence in the UK and were the biggest proponents of Empire in the
19th century (while the English get the bad name for it). We've had a slew of Scots PM's over the years too (and the English get a bad name for what
Blair and Brown did too)
And even after all that, most in England would be sad to see them go.
edit on 16/10/12 by stumason because: (no reason given)