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As the proponents of a new theory, it is the responsibility of those pressing the theory to prove it. They have not done so, IMO. Their calculations are concealed, their models are hidden, their predictions have failed to happen, and their political agenda is clear. When Einstein introduced Relativity, it was not up to everyone else to re-prove Newton; it was up to those who believed the theory to prove it, which they finally did.
You are willfully ignoring all links disproving your claim.
AGW is the accepted theory on the rise in the overall temperature of the Earth, therefor it is up to those that decry it to prove why it is incorrect.
The models and calculations are not hidden, their predictions have not failed to happen, they are happening and at a rate faster than predicted.
Einsteins Theory of Relativity was proven correct less than a year ago
Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. However, the reports called on the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests. The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged at the end of the investigations.
Your condescending citing of Einsteins Theory as proven? I didn't see that you had specified his Special Theory of Relativity. I was referring to his General Theory.
The posters attacking The Redneck for dismissing their links are the same ones dismissing numerous other links in here and on this site that say global warming ended 16 years ago and that the Antarctic sheet is in fact growing! So it's hypocritical to call The Redneck out on that and flippantly complain about his condescension, when those posters display the same traits.
Originally posted by kozmo
This is a pile of muck! Please keep this pointless drivel off the boards - unless you want to discuss the conspiracy of WHY IPCC is lying through its teeth to create a crisis that does NOT exist in reality!
This council represents the highest religious authorities of the Holy Land: the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, the Palestinian Ministry of Religious Affairs (Waqf), the Palestinian Court of Sharia law and all leaders of Christian Churches in Jerusalem. The Council of Religious Institutions of the Holy Land in Jerusalem brings together the leaders of the three religions to jointly promote coexistence, to deal with extremism and find solutions to social problems.Holy Land Declaration On Climate Change
A high-ranking member of the U.N.'s Panel on Climate Change admits the group's primary goal is the redistribution of wealth and not environmental protection or saving the Earth The Climate Cash Cow
A Joint Declaration by Christians, Jews and Muslims is to be presented in Jerusalem on 25 July, in which religious leaders will be asked to get involved in the fight against climate change
On page 75 you can find the quote:
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
Originally posted by Kali74
Personally I don't like the implication that I'm a moron because I believe what certain scientists say is correct, I was offended and reacted thusly. I never once implied that anyone else is a moron for believing different scientists. I disagreed with claims of hidden models and that the peer review process hadn't been engaged and I proved my disagreement was correct but the ante kept being upped and I don't think it was wrong or hypocritical or condescending to point that out.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Summerian
You are willfully ignoring all links disproving your claim.
I prefer the term "dismissing"... I'm not ignoring anything.
I proceed based on certain tenets, one of which is that belief does not equal reality. So the fact that someone believes something, scientist or no, does not automatically equate to that something being true. It only indicates that perhaps the theory should be examined.
So it follows that if the theory is not backed by transparent, reproducible data, it is difficult at best to examine the theory and therefore the theory is not reproducible and cannot be examined. All that is left as a fact is that so-and-so said such-and-such.
I dismiss such facts.
I get reports of ocean acidification - this not happening?
I get reports of arctic ice melting and rupturing. All reporters in on a conspiracy here?
And also - Big oil fund the scientists who think global warming ain't happening!
You a wikipedia fan?
What else can be said? Global consensus among the brainiacs and some rich people who don't like the findings.
Sea levels rising far faster than we thought, warns latest study to raise the alarm over runaway global warming
At the current rate, as a result of subsequently inadequate provisions of Kyoto, global average temperatures could rise by three to five degrees Celsius (5.4 to 9.0 degrees Fahrenheit) this century -- far greater than the two degrees Celsius originally targeted, said the UN.
What happens when one industry has too much power? Politicians become pawns. Laws are created and prevented. Regulations are bypassed. Information is controlled. Dissent is stifled. Our climate changes. And people die.
The documentary shows how fossil fuel corporations have kept the global warming debate alive long after most scientists believed that global warming was real and had potentially catastrophic consequences.
Originally posted by Ericthedoubter
Carbon Dioxide...You have to laugh
Sorry,did I read that right?
Four hundredths of one percent?
I have an idea....all the people who think that allegedly global warming has anything to do with humans should hold their breath.Forever.
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event"
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.