posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Kali74
Todays Democratic party talks a good social (not socialist) game, they talk about economic equality and standing for the poor and disenfranchised, but
they don't fight very hard... they talk about big bad corporations but don't stop them from filling their coffers, and then turn around and vote
Just out of curiosity why do you say Obama is a Marxist Socialist? A lot of Conservatives say that but I personally find Obama to be one of the best
Capitalists we'ev ever had. If Obama were a Socialist (not the Marxist variety) his policies would have been more to my liking and he'd most likely
not have lost my vote.
edit on 11-10-2012 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)
Good Afternoon, Kali...
I took some time to consider my reply to your points here because for whatever reason, I recall the decent relation I had with you when we were both
in Occupy at the same time. That respect never faded...so I try to be a little circumspect when replying on things you took time for.
On your first paragraph I quoted...I agree entirely Democrats do talk a damn good game and then screw us anyway. Republicans don't bother talking
such good games or try greasing everyone up first. They just screw us outright and tell us to take it and like it.
Both sides screw us though...and we certainly seem to agree there. Dems are nicer on the social program side, no doubt. Repubs are nicer on the
benefits to business. Each have their strength and best times to help the nation, IMO.
On your second point.. Well. That's the big one to start wars over around the forums at times, eh? Now, Obama as a capitalist would make me laugh and
get insulting with most people..because I wouldn't take them as being sincere or meaning a word of it. However, I'm confused with your position?
Obama ....Capitalist?? You DO realize, he doesn't even claim this HIMSELF to any degree you'd notice or find a quote for.
Now...I know I know...ad nasuem I know...Obama didn't MAKE this situation...but Obama could have handled the aftermath of the mini-crash any way he
chose to. He chose to embrace and continue the policies of the last guy and double down on it. He all but completed the purchase of GM for the federal
Government (They own 26.5% as of last month for stock). He ran with the bail out and "stimulus" like it WAS his own personal idea and apparently had
a grand time of it.
None of this is the actions of a capitalist and I haven't SEEN Capitalism to recognize it as such since Clinton, at least...and his was a bit of a
combination with other ideals. No complaints though..I take Clinton Capitalism over Obama's Socialist mix-master any day and twice on Sunday.
The medical is also....I have to say this.. Socialist. no two ways and no debating it. These terms are defined and well outlined as official
descriptions of defined systems of Government and it is what it is. I'll agree capitalist approaches to medicine led from Medicine for healing to
Medicine 100% for NOTHING but profit and at the deaths of patients if that's what it took. It went haywire..and started in the 80's as the figures
are SO clear to show. I have NO idea what the solution is....but "American Socialism" isn't it. Obama isn't it. Democrats?? Well... Show me a
candidate of the REAL Democratic party as we've known it until 12 years ago and the start of the partisan wars in earnest...and I'll consider voting
Hell.. even McCaskil is getting my vote...Party isn't the major point. Men and personal life outlook IS. Obama's is the outlook of someone fighting
the system from within...and tearing it to pieces in the process. It's not working...it's killing us. it's destroying our nation.