Like Vietnam, you are asking the wrong group. Soldiers took an oath to obey lawful order, pose your question to the commander in chief.

First off, I agree that we had no business going into Iraq. And there is no reason for there still being troops in Afghanistan.

Sure a lot of the guys buy the crap that is being fed to them by MSM. But you also have to remember. That people do what they do. Carpenters build stuff, artists create art, and soldiers fight battles.Just because the reasons are BS or you disagree with it, those guys are not going to stop doing what they do.

With that being said, Afghanistan, is a horrible horrible place. No one wants to be there, at least not after they have been there for a few weeks outside of the wire. But no one is out there trying to kill civilians, they are over their trying to survive. There is no clear goal anymore, and there has not been for the past several years. The only thing the guys over there care about is getting home in one piece.

But that's what warfighters do, someone points them at a war, and says "Hey, go do your thing." It's no different than someone telling a construction worker that they need a building somewhere.

Originally posted by pointr97
Like Vietnam, you are asking the wrong group. Soldiers took an oath to obey lawful order, pose your question to the commander in chief.

So that means they must throw ethics and reasoning out the window What if they were ordered to jump off a cliff by commanding officer they are bound by law to do so ?

Originally posted by pointr97
Like Vietnam, you are asking the wrong group. Soldiers took an oath to obey lawful order, pose your question to the commander in chief.

Soldiers take an oath to the country, not to the commander in chief. infact theyre supposed to protect us from domestic enemies as well. they should be invading dc then

anyway....theyre brainwashed. Just like 95% of the regular people. Most people cant break the programming. Additionally, once they join, if theg figure out the problem with the war....they cant just walk out. Contracts you know. Probably part of the reason for the high suicides. Honestly what we do in the middle east is terrorism.

Now, i have my own theory, but thats for another thread. I think this is a matrix and that most people are sentient computer programs. Infact i am completely positive i have encountered a few of the agents..... But i wont derail this thread.

Originally posted by freedomSlave

Originally posted by pointr97
Like Vietnam, you are asking the wrong group. Soldiers took an oath to obey lawful order, pose your question to the commander in chief.

So that means they must throw ethics and reasoning out the window What if they were ordered to jump off a cliff by commanding officer they are bound by law to do so ?

Yes. Honestly lol my dad was courtmarshalled for going awol. His defense was he wanted to build a race car. Around the end of vietnam...lol

The answer to your question is whatever the government says we are protecting you from. Personally I never gave a damn what the reason behind the war was or is currently. The only thing that ever concerned concerns me was that I signed a contract to perform a service and fulfilling that obligation allowed me to support my family.

It sounds like you've been talking to some wanna be heroes that think everyone should praise them for wearing a uniform. They turn my stomach almost as much as people who rant about what I should be doing as a soldier or the cowards that proclaim "the vets should rise up against the government".

Originally posted by watchitburn

Sure a lot of the guys buy the crap that is being fed to them by MSM. But you also have to remember. That people do what they do. Carpenters build stuff, artists create art, and soldiers fight battles.Just because the reasons are BS or you disagree with it, those guys are not going to stop doing what they do.

I would never and never have contract myself out if I didn't feel ethical about the contract that was being presented to me . These soldiers are not being forced to go I am sure they have to sign and enlist for deployment this isn't ww1 or ww2 we haven't been drafted. Perhaps I am wrong about how one gets to serve over seas in America or allied nations on this so called war effort but here in Canada that is how it works.

But no one is out there trying to kill civilians, they are over their trying to survive.

I agree with you I think everyone is trying to survive and the people of the region too.

Originally posted by jacknast76
Well I gave you a star before I finished reading your racist post. Wish I could take it back. They are over there saving us from the crazy BROWN guys. Also so a turd like yourself can be a racist #.

lol i never knew that replying/ quoting removes the sensor symbols that wasn't a nice word . lol

seriously how was I being racist

My point was stated simply in a fashion that those that question the weapon for what the shooter does can understand.

Being a West Point grad, I know a bit about ethics, morality, and combat command. These men and women do a tough job, one that very few actually understand. They fight, bleed, and die to protect us from what the powers at be tell them to fight against. When you question their ethics, put yourself in their shoes. Yes, problems do happen, situations devolve into a pure mess. Yet I question you who question them for following an order given by their boss, how would you react when the bullets start flying?

They believe in the constitution, they believe in the command structure, they have to believe in these things to shoot at another individual. They do not kill for pleasure or money, they kill because they believe it is the right thing to do for the greater good. If a solider, any soldier does not believe in the cause they stand behind, the battle is lost before it begins. Duty, Honor, Country.

It is easy to arm chair quarterback the senate, or the president, yet unless you know what it is like to see your peer or worse, your soldiers shot and killed; you cannot begin to preach to them. Debate with them all you want, but they again are trying to defend an order given to them by their lawfully elected government. You have a problem with that government, vote them out. However, until then, do not take it out on men and women that i know will stand beside us against them when they finally do cross that constitutional line. And it will be those individuals who love freedom to the point of death that will make a stand not beside us but in front of us to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic. While your private contractors and corrupt police are taking constant actions to limit your freedoms.

Remember who is there defending and not taking.

Originally posted by Rastus3663
The answer to your question is whatever the government says we are protecting you from. Personally I never gave a damn what the reason behind the war was or is currently. The only thing that ever concerned concerns me was that I signed a contract to perform a service and fulfilling that obligation allowed me to support my family.

It sounds like you've been talking to some wanna be heroes that think everyone should praise them for wearing a uniform. They turn my stomach almost as much as people who rant about what I should be doing as a soldier or the cowards that proclaim "the vets should rise up against the government".

Ok but do you really feel that you are saving the western world from terrorism when random acts of violence that can be classified as terrorism happen all the time in our home countries?

Originally posted by pointr97
My point was stated simply in a fashion that those that question the weapon for what the shooter does can understand.

Being a West Point grad, I know a bit about ethics, morality, and combat command. These men and women do a tough job, one that very few actually understand. They fight, bleed, and die to protect us from what the powers at be tell them to fight against. When you question their ethics, put yourself in their shoes. Yes, problems do happen, situations devolve into a pure mess. Yet I question you who question them for following an order given by their boss, how would you react when the bullets start flying?

They believe in the constitution, they believe in the command structure, they have to believe in these things to shoot at another individual. They do not kill for pleasure or money, they kill because they believe it is the right thing to do for the greater good. If a solider, any soldier does not believe in the cause they stand behind, the battle is lost before it begins. Duty, Honor, Country.

It is easy to arm chair quarterback the senate, or the president, yet unless you know what it is like to see your peer or worse, your soldiers shot and killed; you cannot begin to preach to them. Debate with them all you want, but they again are trying to defend an order given to them by their lawfully elected government. You have a problem with that government, vote them out. However, until then, do not take it out on men and women that i know will stand beside us against them when they finally do cross that constitutional line. And it will be those individuals who love freedom to the point of death that will make a stand not beside us but in front of us to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic. While your private contractors and corrupt police are taking constant actions to limit your freedoms.

Remember who is there defending and not taking.

edit on 8-10-2012 by pointr97 because: (no reason given)

ww1 ww2 I would of signed up draft or I agree and can justify these wars . Maybe I am wrong about how your military work when troops are being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan . are they being forced to go because your government is at war if I am wrong tell me . As I said in my OP no one has flat out answered the question what are we being saved from when we cant even avoid home grown terrorism . I just feel this is a pointless front for war .

Originally posted by freedomSlave

Originally posted by pointr97
My point was stated simply in a fashion that those that question the weapon for what the shooter does can understand.

Being a West Point grad, I know a bit about ethics, morality, and combat command. These men and women do a tough job, one that very few actually understand. They fight, bleed, and die to protect us from what the powers at be tell them to fight against. When you question their ethics, put yourself in their shoes. Yes, problems do happen, situations devolve into a pure mess. Yet I question you who question them for following an order given by their boss, how would you react when the bullets start flying?

They believe in the constitution, they believe in the command structure, they have to believe in these things to shoot at another individual. They do not kill for pleasure or money, they kill because they believe it is the right thing to do for the greater good. If a solider, any soldier does not believe in the cause they stand behind, the battle is lost before it begins. Duty, Honor, Country.

It is easy to arm chair quarterback the senate, or the president, yet unless you know what it is like to see your peer or worse, your soldiers shot and killed; you cannot begin to preach to them. Debate with them all you want, but they again are trying to defend an order given to them by their lawfully elected government. You have a problem with that government, vote them out. However, until then, do not take it out on men and women that i know will stand beside us against them when they finally do cross that constitutional line. And it will be those individuals who love freedom to the point of death that will make a stand not beside us but in front of us to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic. While your private contractors and corrupt police are taking constant actions to limit your freedoms.

Remember who is there defending and not taking.

edit on 8-10-2012 by pointr97 because: (no reason given)

ww1 ww2 I would of signed up draft or I agree and can justify these wars . Maybe I am wrong about how your military work when troops are being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan . are they being forced to go because your government is at war if I am wrong tell me . As I said in my OP no one has flat out answered the question what are we being saved from when we cant even avoid home grown terrorism . I just feel this is a pointless front for war .

The wars are quick sand, they started as an emotional response to exact justify for what happened those many years ago. We were first in afghanistan, I think most have forgotten that was were we started after 9/11 and it was almost demanded by the american public. Iraq, as most of us here can agree, was a smoke and mirror show, yet when an edict of war is given....The troops are required to obey, and yes, some troops and officers disagree with it. Yet, the choice of where to go and who to fight as an enemy is not within their power if it is a lawful order. Both engagements over the last decade have obviously spun down the toilet, but it is not the troops decision to go or stay. However, their current role is not to engage as much as it is to protect their troops and each other.

It is not the soldiers that are currently engaging as much as it is they are playing a defensive operation, responding to hostile fire as it comes on them. They know it is time to come home, but the order has not yet been given, so like like the soldiers in the trenches of WWI, we stand until ordered to do something else. They were ordered to hold the lines, and so they dug and they dug and they died.

There is no point any more and anyone that knows the history of warfare in Afghanistan will tell you, no invading force has ever succeeded. However, our soldiers, marines and sailors have not been ordered home yet, so they stand their ground.