Teenage Boy Scout Denied Eagle Scout Because He's Gay

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by dayve

 

Not Happening Dude. I am a gun toting, pagan Southern Red Neck Homo American and proud of it. I also stand up for my more ''sissyfied' brothers and butch sisters,, so give it up,,,

as the saying goes,,

Were Here, We're Queer Get USED TO IT. We Ain't going away.

See.... The homo part is irrelevant, y do people need to know that? I dont get it...

Originally posted by skitzspiricy
The bigotry on this site lately is really starting to disgust me.

People hiding behind their computer screens spewing hate. I pity you all.

Exactly right. Lets discuss things like adults, okay? No name calling or the like.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
And once again, to dispel this relevant point, false representation of the facts has been offered.

The kid has been in the BSA for a long time. He didn't always know he was gay. So, he's worked so many years to get where he is, discovers that he's gay along the way, then he's refused the same qualification as all of his peers simply because he is gay.

People change over time, sure, and groups they hang around with that seemed right at the time are not always right for life.
Like a kid who started off liking football so joined a football club. Few years later on, now prefers motor racing. Should he now whine and complain that the football club is discriminating against him driving a car while playing sport?
I think he should instead just go and join a group of people that are right for him, at that moment in his life.

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by skitzspiricy
The bigotry on this site lately is really starting to disgust me.

People hiding behind their computer screens spewing hate. I pity you all.

Lets discuss things like adults, okay? No name calling or the like.

You're actually pulling up my post for name calling?

Have you been reading the replies in your own thread?

Originally posted by collietta
I have to say, to all those who are supporting the boy scouts, how can you be so cruel?

I agree. These are the scum who hold this country back and make life miserable for so many people. Death to them.

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by skitzspiricy
The bigotry on this site lately is really starting to disgust me.

People hiding behind their computer screens spewing hate. I pity you all.

Lets discuss things like adults, okay? No name calling or the like.

You're actually pulling up my post for name calling?

Have you been reading the replies in your own thread?

No, I'm sorry you misunderstood! I was agreeing with you! My fault, I should have made it more clear.

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Ahh ok. Thank you for clarifying

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by dayve
I hope overly openly gays get denied n discriminated more often... Go back in the closet

I hope bigots, racists and religious nut cases continue to be challenged, obstructed and ignored throughout the world on a daily basis. Get back to your trailer.

So now im a religious, racists bigot...? It makes no sense y gay people feel the need to be open about it. Yea you have a sexual preference, good for you.... You want a parade? Go march off the nearest cliff...

Did I say you?
Perhaps you just identified with my statement. I was merely stating my hopes and wishes for the future, as I'm sure you were.

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by dayve

 

Not Happening Dude. I am a gun toting, pagan Southern Red Neck Homo American and proud of it. I also stand up for my more ''sissyfied' brothers and butch sisters,, so give it up,,,

as the saying goes,,

Were Here, We're Queer Get USED TO IT. We Ain't going away.

See.... The homo part is irrelevant, y do people need to know that? I dont get it...

Because of people like you!

We have to make it an issue, because for decades we could be imprisoned or even killed for being gay. For decades people had to march in the streets just to be able to report a crime to the police without being beaten to death by them! For decades we were treated as second class citizens, and in many places WE STILL ARE!

When we have the same rights as you, then we'll shut up. Until then, we'll just keep making noise. Don't like it? Tough.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
It's funny to see the homophobes come out to play. Although this is somewhat unrelated, a multi-tude of recent studies appear to show that those with higher levels of education and intellect tend to be more open to homosexual rights and more accomodating of the gay community than those who are less educated.

It just shows that the overall IQ of the ATS community is probably quite low.

This is indeed the issue here. Unfortunately I think it has been declining for some time. The dumb ones stay and the smart ones leave.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix


I would have two programs, with each criteria. I believe that is the most fair.

Fair?

It is not fair. It is divisive and discriminatory.

Do you support separate drinking fountains for Whites and Blacks too?

edit on 7-10-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

Of course not. Those actions do not involve the sensitivity of sexual relations between same sex or non same sex partners - especially for Children. There is no comparison between the two.

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Honest question. Do you believe that if the BSA accepted homosexuals that it would then "spread" homosexuality? Because I don't think sexuality is an appropriate topic for Boy Scouts anyway.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I believe in the organizations right to set their own terms.

This wasn't the question of whether the organization has the right, this wasn't the question of the OP. Why you keep hiding behind this excuse is really beyond me.

And I did already answer your question.

No you didn't. You just told me that the kid being gay would not affect your life personally, you didn't answer my question as to whether you'd refuse to award this kid based purely on his sexuality on a personal level.

You know what? I think that on a personal level, even if you ran this organization, you still wouldn't award this kid because of his sexuality. You personally agree with this stance of this organization, you just refuse to state it clearly because you know it's not an easy position to defend.

What you so pathetically are attempting to do is paint me into a corner and use that as justification to prove some point.

I refuse to be baited. I have answered the question. I have stated that it depends on many factors. I won't make a blanket statement out of any preconceived hate I may have of gays in Your mind. I did agree that I approve the stance of the organization, because the BSA allows for both - a program for straight people and a program for all persuasions. It has been shown that it was up to the scout leader to determine his position. I do not know what I would do given the same position without knowing more about the reasons of these two scout leaders, their decision making processes. I may choose to award the Eagle Scout badge, or I may not, depending on the circumstances. I have made that clear 3 times now. I will no longer be concerned with your inability to to comprehend what you are reading.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by dayve

 

Not Happening Dude. I am a gun toting, pagan Southern Red Neck Homo American and proud of it. I also stand up for my more ''sissyfied' brothers and butch sisters,, so give it up,,,

as the saying goes,,

Were Here, We're Queer Get USED TO IT. We Ain't going away.

See.... The homo part is irrelevant, y do people need to know that? I dont get it...

Because of people like you!

We have to make it an issue, because for decades we could be imprisoned or even killed for being gay. For decades people had to march in the streets just to be able to report a crime to the police without being beaten to death by them! For decades we were treated as second class citizens, and in many places WE STILL ARE!

When we have the same rights as you, then we'll shut up. Until then, we'll just keep making noise. Don't like it? Tough.

Yea but child molesters n adults that like lil kids can same the same thing.... A 30 year old man with a 15 year old can say, "well we love each other" we want just as many rights as the next person. Im not saying the morality is the same, but one group wants rights knowing that what they do is frowned up, makes no sense... I have gay friends, even married ones, so im not really homophobic or against it, i just think people go to far to throw it in peoples faces.... Same goes for religion and racists too since you brought that up, they need to shutup as well..

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

Honest question. Do you believe that if the BSA accepted homosexuals that it would then "spread" homosexuality? Because I don't think sexuality is an appropriate topic for Boy Scouts anyway.

I do not know but would hope not - in the sense of coercing other young impressionable children into an act that is against their nature. And vise versa. It has been shown that children will mimic the positions of their peers no matter the reasons or what those circumstances may be. For example, young girls will often identify with a rapist because that person may coerce them into thinking they can have a better life with them than the life that girl has at home. Think about peer pressure in general and all the things even college kids do - that they later regret. Children, young boys, and the BSA is not equipped to deal with these things on a professional level. That's not what they are about. If there is any psychological damage, the parents will be left to deal with this fallout. That's not fair to the child or the parents.

Actually the BSA shouldn't be allowed to discriminate because they receive federal funds. The way they receive funds is through the use of public schools and government owned lands. By law if they use these things they are not allowed to discriminate against anyone. Not only does the BSA openly discriminate against gays but atheist also. So if the BSA wants to continue to discriminate against certain groups of people then they should not be allowed to hold their meetings in schools and they should be denied the use of government owned lands.

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GOOD

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

Honest question. Do you believe that if the BSA accepted homosexuals that it would then "spread" homosexuality? Because I don't think sexuality is an appropriate topic for Boy Scouts anyway.

I do not know but would hope not - in the sense of coercing other young impressionable children into an act that is against their nature. And vise versa. It has been shown that children will mimic the positions of their peers no matter the reasons or what those circumstances may be. For example, young girls will often identify with a rapist because that person may coerce them into thinking they can have a better life with them than the life that girl has at home. Think about peer pressure in general and all the things even college kids do - that they later regret. Children, young boys, and the BSA is not equipped to deal with these things on a professional level. That's not what they are about. If there is any psychological damage, the parents will be left to deal with this fallout. That's not fair to the child or the parents.

But it's fair to the child and the parents for the scout to be taught hate and intolerance?

Originally posted by dayve
It makes no sense y gay people feel the need to be open about it. Yea you have a sexual preference, good for you....

Correct - - it makes no sense gay people HAVE to speak up and fight for equality.

Homosexuality is not a preference - - as in choice.

It is a natural birth sexual orientation.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by Annee
It is not fair. It is divisive and discriminatory.

Do you support separate drinking fountains for Whites and Blacks too?

In the example we're discussing, the "discrimination" is entirely up to the person who wishes to sign up to it.

But if some people had to go out of their way to voluntarily sign up to an organisation, knowing in advance that the drinking fountains were separate, and being able to walk away from this situation any time they chose, then I think it is perfectly all right.

At what age do these "people" voluntarily sign up for scouting?

Next time you see a 6 year old at the wrong drinking fountain - - be sure to explain it to him and point him in another direction.