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President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney traded barbs Wednesday night on taxes, jobs, health care and the economy — and often stretched the facts. "Mr. President," Romney said, "you're entitled as the president to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts." Romney also would have benefited from that advice. We're combing through the pair's remarks from the University of Denver's Ritchie Center, where moderator Jim Lehrer focused on the economy, health care, the role of government and governing.
"Right now, the (Congressional Budget Office) says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year." Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
Says Barack Obama "put in place a board that can tell people ultimately what treatments they're going to receive." Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
Romney said six tax studies look at a study that Obama described and "say it's completely wrong." Previously, Romney has claimed that five studies back his tax plan. We found that Mostly False. We saw no more than two independent studies out of the five claimed.
"He would say thing after thing after thing that just plain wasn't true," Gingrich said of the former Massachusetts governor in reference to last Thursday debate's on CNN.
"I don't know how you debate a person with civility if they're prepared to say things that are just plain factually false. "
Originally posted by Indigo5
I honestly thought the Obama team would have been better prepared for this.
"He would say thing after thing after thing that just plain wasn't true," Gingrich said of the former Massachusetts governor in reference to last Thursday debate's on CNN.
"I don't know how you debate a person with civility if they're prepared to say things that are just plain factually false. "
Originally posted by Indigo5
You have to have a strategy to confront BS, Lies and light-speed flip-flopping. Somone willing to tell bald-faced lies without hesitation.
Originally posted by flyswatter
reply to post by buster2010
Wasnt there a comment by Romney that alluded to most of the green companies that the $90 billion in aid went to have failed? The fact is that while one is rather high profile, less than half of those companies have failed.
I identify more with democrats than republicans, but I usually give it a couple of days so I can head out and check the actual facts about their number-slinging, on BOTH sides. They're just playing a game.
Originally posted by buster2010
Fact-checking the Denver presidential debate
President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney traded barbs Wednesday night on taxes, jobs, health care and the economy — and often stretched the facts. "Mr. President," Romney said, "you're entitled as the president to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts." Romney also would have benefited from that advice. We're combing through the pair's remarks from the University of Denver's Ritchie Center, where moderator Jim Lehrer focused on the economy, health care, the role of government and governing.
All in all not too bad a night for the facts. Only one false statement and that went to Romney. With this one.
"Right now, the (Congressional Budget Office) says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year." Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
And two mostly false which also went to Romney.
Says Barack Obama "put in place a board that can tell people ultimately what treatments they're going to receive." Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
Romney said six tax studies look at a study that Obama described and "say it's completely wrong." Previously, Romney has claimed that five studies back his tax plan. We found that Mostly False. We saw no more than two independent studies out of the five claimed.edit on 4-10-2012 by buster2010 because: (no reason given)
• Romney said that Obama failed to cut health care premiums by $2,500. That's true. On our Obameter, which tracks Obama's 2008 campaign promises, we've rated that a Promise Broken.
• Obama said health premiums grew slower in the last two years than any time in the past five decades, and he suggested that his health care law was the reason. The statement misconstrued real trends documented by a government report and Kaiser Family Foundation survey. To be correct, Obama should have referred to total health spending and attributed credit to the recession. We rated the claim False.
Obama said 50 million people will lose coverage if the health care law is repealed. He didn’t say so, but that figure is based on projections for a decade down the road, and it applies to people who don't have insurance now. Also, it includes projections of people who would lose coverage if Medicaid is converted to a block program. That's separate from the health care law. We rated Obama's statement Mostly False.
In discussing Romney's tax proposals, Obama said that "under Gov. Romney's definition ... Donald Trump is a small business"? However, Romney's tax plan would not give Trump -- or anyone else -- a tax cut based on their status as a small business. We rated the claim False.
Originally posted by sealing
In Romney's case,It's tough to fact check the
greatest used car salesman of all time.
He promises everything, then you go sign the papers
and none of what he promised is there.