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The Age of Free Labour - No longer yours to sell. UK Thread.

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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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This is truly frightening. Preconditioning a generation of youth to fail miserably. Besides financial, political and economic gain, what is the end goal? How can they systematically destroy the planet and it's population without any remorse? Without the common populous to spend and work, there is no benefit for the PTB. So, what is happening?




posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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We do this in Canada, but only to students, who earn credits to graduate from it.
This is sad.. if I was going to work 30 hours a week, unpaid, I would just work 30 hours a week and get paid.

Bring on the entrepreneurs.

Oh, and to add to this, my sister lives and works in England and like was previously mentioned, she only has a part-time job at a retail store. She also just picked up a second job with casual hours to supplement her income.
Luckily, her husband owns their house and works full time, but he has to drive to work, and gas is insane in the U.K.
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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The main problem here is that a large proportion of the population are sufficiently brainwashed against the vulnerable on benefits, be they sick, disabled or just unemployed, that they will not stand up for them. I know too many ignorant #wits who refuse to listen to reason, they think that most people on benefits are idle scroungers or fakers.

There was a recent case where a woman went to court, because she was being forced onto one of those schemes to work for Poundland. She was already doing voluntary work, but they expected her to give it up and do the unpaid corporate work. She lost her case.

www.guardian.co.uk...

We are all screwed. This country is well beyond repair. Nobody has the balls to stand up to the government, and those few who do are screwed by corrupt judges in court, or worse. As long as this country is populated by apathetic idiots, more and more vulnerable people will be screwed by the bullies in power, and through their stupidity, the safety net they are refusing to fight for will no longer be there when they might need it.

I hope I live to see the demise of the corrupt government and corporations. They all need eradicating off the face of the planet, because their continued existance creates nothing but misery and suffering not only for us, but others all around the world. They treat us well compared to how they treat other nations, and they treat us badly.

If it were not for the fact innocent people would get hurt, I would say bring on the terrorism. But that is sinking to the level of the government, who are the real terrorists in this world.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Work is good thing, it keeps people active, but working for nothing is wasteful and pointless


Op, you should push your reasoning one notch further. What do we really work for ?

From this thread, that you should read


Originally posted by JaneC

We work our asses to the bone to earn worthless paper or even more worthless digital "credit" to buy stuff we do not need that is made by people who are in more bondage than us with resources that are dwindling minute by minute which only REALLY benefits the very few in this world..


And where does money come from ? It is created out of nothing, and the bankers who do this job lend this "money" and they ask interest for it. That is why countries are in debt, a debt that is ever growing and will never stop, and all you can do is pay interests, again and again. For example, France has a debt of around 1800 billions, and has paid until now around 1200 billions in interests only. I believe France has reimbursed the capital of its debt around 3 or 4 times now. That is slavery, and all that with the complicity of corrupted politicians. Pompidou, who was at one point president of France, was before that general manager of the Rothschild bank, then he became prime minister then president..

What you talk about is important, but it is a rearguard battle, it is just the tip of the iceberg. It's just that it is becoming more and more blatant.

The question is : conspiracy or not ? Conspiracy or ideological convergence ? I believe a bit of the two, mixed with ignorance and fear.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Well have you ever heard of such a thing as a "kick back"?




posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Sinny
I spoke about this a few times. They wonder why there are no jobs out their when large corporations have been given free labour for the last 4 years. Illegally up until now (which is still a crime IMO).. They caught in 2011 telling everybody theu were forced to work 8 weeks mandatory, turns out they lied through their teeth.


Sinny, I've heard you speak about this. It sounds really messed up, I don't think we have anything like this in the states. Weren't you doing one of these programs at some point?

Also, if companies can use free labor, doesn't that mean there would be a lot of jobs lost to free labor that could be paying wages? Wouldn't it be more productive for society to hire people instead of use people?

In the United States, things are going in a completely different direction than in the U.K. since the bad economy started in 2008, most people are working short hours and spending a lot of time gaming or hanging out, and there isn't really any stigma about it - I think we are so much better off because everyone under 30 doesn't feel the need to have tons of money to be successful.

I require about $700 a month to live a very comfortable life, myself.

There is little pressure to work your life away, instead most people are interested in a balanced life.
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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How can humanity overcome oppression through debt if most people don't even recognise the problem? I doubt there will be any significant change until the world is aware, together. And, the fact that so many in various industries and professions are adding to the problem makes me sick. Journalists, politicians, business moguls, scientists, and even your average Joe. People are entrapped within an invisible grasp and either don't want to recognise or cannot. We are doomed.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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The best outcome for our current economic issues is for all of us, regardless of where we reside, to finally understand that every governmental intrusion into our lives for the sake of our personal security is going to fail. The reason is simple. The amounts of money very quickly become too large for the average person to really get their mind around and there are far too many people out there who want a piece of you. Think it out, even if they only get a dollar from each of us each year for program X it is still a heck of a lot of money - and they are getting far more than that by borrowing against what we have not even earned yet. The answer is to stand up and say no, not anymore.
We need to end all forms of government subsidies, at all levels and for all people and corporations, and go back to what the federal level of government really does know how to do - national defense and at one time our borders.
Until this thought actually penetrates into the soul of the electorate - you can't buy prosperity through government spending - we will continue to be enslaved.
In a prosperous and free society those of sound mind and sound ethics will care for any who really need assistance. Again, think it through. The many public charities raising money for every concern under the sun, to include cancer research to save the whales survive quite nicely - often without a penny of governmental assistance.
What I am saying, in the final analysis, is that we all need to grow up. The government does not exist to feed you, your children, your grandparents, etc. They exist so that you - yes, you personally - can be free to do it when and in a manner that is necessary and proper. What this means is that we provide our labor strictly for wages, we buy our own insurance for whatever eventuality we foresee as possible, not our employer nor the government. We save for our retirement on our own - no 'help' from an employer gaming the system or a government that promises and gives next to nothing.
We must band together as family - yes, your sibings and extended real family - to survive the economic turns of fate and the harsh realities of life on this small planet. No matter how much we want it to be true that our wealth, our faith, or our government will protect us - they can't. Your fate is on your shoulders. Never forget that there is a vast onslaught of hate and evil envy pointed directly at the West and too many thieves and worse right in your own neighborhood to do anything else. At its best, the federal government is simply a weapon: cocked, loaded, only awaiting the right trigger to fire. Remember your history, all of our governments were built from war - with the expess purpose of being able to wage war. Why in Hell would you want to have that pointed at your health, your job, your retirement, your family?



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Guardian: Young jobseekers told to work without pay or loose benefits.

going out and working 37.5hrs a week will more than likely leave you worse off

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Whilst I disagree with the schemes you are talking about. Your comment above shows the problems that we face.

For some reason, Labour decided to give the scroungers MORE than people who work full-time hours (presumably because lazy scroungers are their natural constituency).

We urgently need to cut housing benefits, tax credits and benefits so that working full time pays more than not working or only working part time.

Misguided, child-hating ,socialists oppose the cuts so the Government are forced into these ridiculous schemes to try and redress the balance.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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Govt shouldn't be allowed to borrow, ( exception war)

People should not worship the govt , and treat it as a necessary evil

there should be no minimum wage, wages are negotiated between parties involved,

state intervention destroys economic vitality , the solution is small govt, strict implementation to the rule law,etc,

the 'other' view is what got us here.
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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by supermouse

Guardian: Young jobseekers told to work without pay or loose benefits.

going out and working 37.5hrs a week will more than likely leave you worse off

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Whilst I disagree with the schemes you are talking about. Your comment above shows the problems that we face.

For some reason, Labour decided to give the scroungers MORE than people who work full-time hours (presumably because lazy scroungers are their natural constituency).

We urgently need to cut housing benefits, tax credits and benefits so that working full time pays more than not working or only working part time.

Misguided, child-hating ,socialists oppose the cuts so the Government are forced into these ridiculous schemes to try and redress the balance.



I disagree, we urgently need to start paying proper wages. Did you not read the part where i mentioned the minimum wage has never risen above or on-par with inflation? Wages have stagnated, living on £56-70 a week is a bare BARE minimum. People deserve more than 6.50 an hour, this is an expensive country to live in!

We should be building more affordable housing for the people who do go out to work so they dont have to pay private landlords half their wage just for a roof over their heads.

So far all the conservative party have done with their time in power is made the rich richer and that trend looks set to continue with the privatization of the NHS. Labour are a joke. Libdems? I'd rather vote a 6 year old into office.
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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Wow, what a horrible program. Seems like the only thing it will do is eliminate jobs, and make a bad situation much worse.

What we need to do is outlaw corporations, as they are the root of all of these problems.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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We are paying proper wages , the discrepancy is necessities are'nt reflecting ' local' wages, the status quo, hanger ons can't accept the malinvestment purge. PRINTING AND WAR ...IS THE M.O.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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no need to outlaw , just strict implementation under 12 of our peers of screw ups, BP'S CEOs should be in front of a jury, and face jail if negligent.

They pay a fine which Romabambam latches to and the exploitation continues.The unfair exploitation of resources which should belong to all is the prize and history shows they win every time.


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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Cameron and his cronies are determined to eradicate all the social gains and benefits our fathers and grandfathers gained.
This programme started with Thatcher and her destruction of our manufacturing base and has been continued by every single administration since.
This will only cease when the NHS has been privatised and the welfare state completely dismantled.

The introduction of the minimum wage and the inundation of migrant workers from Eastern Europe has helped contribute to a society where workers are paid a pittance for their services and skills - all whilst ensuring a massive increase in profits for the elites who control the economy.

These obscenely wealthy bankers and corporate whores etc then proceed to do everything possible to evade paying taxes, to the tune of £120billion annually.

Meanwhile those unable to work for whatever reason are demonised by the politicians and MSM and protrayed as scroungers, leeches and a burden on society thus enabling Cameron to target society's vulnerable and most needy with apparent impugnity whilst ignoring the much larger drain on this nations resources of tax evasion and avoidance.

Money and resources are being bled out of this country at an alarming rate as bankers and the wealthy refuse to invest their obscene fortunes in this country, it's infrastructure and more importantly it's people.

We need to get people back to work, in real jobs, paying a fair days wage for a fair days work - that will never happen when we have a political system that is obsessed with maintaining the gravy train for the politicians and their financers and puppet masters and that put's their financial gain and personal advancement before the wishes and well being of the country and it's people.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Cameron and his cronies are determined to eradicate all the social gains and benefits our fathers and grandfathers gained.
This programme started with Thatcher and her destruction of our manufacturing base and has been continued by every single administration since.
This will only cease when the NHS has been privatised and the welfare state completely dismantled.

The introduction of the minimum wage and the inundation of migrant workers from Eastern Europe has helped contribute to a society where workers are paid a pittance for their services and skills - all whilst ensuring a massive increase in profits for the elites who control the economy.

These obscenely wealthy bankers and corporate whores etc then proceed to do everything possible to evade paying taxes, to the tune of £120billion annually.

Meanwhile those unable to work for whatever reason are demonised by the politicians and MSM and protrayed as scroungers, leeches and a burden on society thus enabling Cameron to target society's vulnerable and most needy with apparent impugnity whilst ignoring the much larger drain on this nations resources of tax evasion and avoidance.

Money and resources are being bled out of this country at an alarming rate as bankers and the wealthy refuse to invest their obscene fortunes in this country, it's infrastructure and more importantly it's people.

We need to get people back to work, in real jobs, paying a fair days wage for a fair days work - that will never happen when we have a political system that is obsessed with maintaining the gravy train for the politicians and their financers and puppet masters and that put's their financial gain and personal advancement before the wishes and well being of the country and it's people.


Agree with every single point you made!



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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I was one of those people that ended up on a Y.T.S. scheme.Maggie Thatcher to me was a cold uncaring pompous egotistical demon of a politician.
The scheme i was on only lasted a year in a community workshop at the grand sum of 26 pounds and fifty pence a week.The major disadvantage of the fruitlessness of the Y.T.S. scheme were that the local factories lowered their pay for school leavers and if you were 17 you would be treated like garbage.
Absolute treachery of a generation,how could you cut off the youths chances to get ahead in the world.
I found it almost impossible to get out of my working class inner city area as you are tied there by living within your means.It's why in the end i emigrated to the States and was given a chance at the ripe old age of 31 and found myself with a middle class career and a more peaceful way of life.
Britains ruling classes hates it's youth and looks to lay blame on them for anything it can rather than admit they've been thrown to the dogs and the chances are few and far between.
Another fact is the unemployment figures are rigged so the truth is not told on how much competition there is to get a job,let alone a decent paying job.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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That's sad mate.
I live in Miami and in the busy season work up to and past 80 hours per week but am rewarded fairly,but my point is when i'm sat at home for 3 or 4 days i'm at a loss as to what to do.I cannot wait to get back in work.
I was unemployed for about 18 months in Manchester at an age when i should have been in University really.
It must be very tough on someone like you that has had his own business and been self supporting to sign on a dotted line.I hated it.Sitting at home most days or wandering the streets is soul destroying for most people.
Good luck.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Government is just a self serving entity, more often then not just a tool for elitism. And now that it has become a job to push paper around it has also become depended on shifting populations around to keep it going and alive. Your whole system, queen and all is basically just a self serving circle jerk, were one hand greases the other and the only thing they really do is constantly think up new way of keeping themselves relevant to the populous. But really that is all that all governments are in the end.

Really in a lot of ways Britain has not even reached the place were America was at when they were just colonies of Britain, but now that its native population is not needed, well the times they will be a changing.
Names and words are meaningless, and that is why you got free labor up there, and you got the right to work down here in the states. It's all just bunk. Don't worry that's rain flowing down your back and not piss.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

I disagree, we urgently need to start paying proper wages. Did you not read the part where i mentioned the minimum wage has never risen above or on-par with inflation? Wages have stagnated, living on £56-70 a week is a bare BARE minimum. People deserve more than 6.50 an hour, this is an expensive country to live in!

We should be building more affordable housing for the people who do go out to work so they dont have to pay private landlords half their wage just for a roof over their heads.

So far all the conservative party have done with their time in power is made the rich richer and that trend looks set to continue with the privatization of the NHS. Labour are a joke. Libdems? I'd rather vote a 6 year old into office.
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Well I think everyone can agree that making the rich richer is a good thing - being rich is nice right?

Don't be fooled by the term "affordable housing" that's just a scam to make housing more expensive. For example, if you give the London scroungers £500 a week housing benefit then it forces the rents up for the rest of us. It is an expensive country to live in because of all the handouts we are forced to pay (to unemployed scroungers, middle class landlords and rich land-owners). Massive problems have been caused in London because Labour stole half of whetever anyone built for "affordable housing" and subsidised half of London households with housing benefit. How can an honest person compete against scrounging on that scale?

You mention minimum wage not keeping up with inflation. Surely you realise that the reason we have inflation is because of the massive money-printing we are doing to give away to all the scroungers? Without the scroungers we wouldn't have inflation and the minimum wage would be fine.

I've worked for less than half that minimum wage, in a great job in a fast food place. I lived well because my rent was low and I got some free tacos.






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