Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by beezzer
Suicide is a solution to a problem. Albiet, a poor solution, but one none the less.

Now are we seeing people resort to suicide because of economic malaise?

Or

Are we seeing the result of a generation with poor decision-making abilities?

I agree, in your premises.


I believe its both.

People see tough times differently now. Back when, tough times meant having to eat just once a day, if that, to stretch a budget.

Now? Some think having a 3G phone is toughing it, only having dial-up is toughing it, only eating out once a month is toughing it.

Of course, just my humble opinion.

Originally posted by beezzer
Suicide is a solution to a problem. Albiet, a poor solution, but one none the less.

Now are we seeing people resort to suicide because of economic malaise?

Or

Are we seeing the result of a generation with poor decision-making abilities?

I am vastly sick of the heartless and stupidity of this idea.

In a society where only a few jobs have enough to live on, where its musical chairs for jobs and its a scarsity system, and in a world where billions out 7 billion are living in abject poverty. You're not making good problem solving decisions if you are well off and comfy while everyone else is being taken out behind the shed by the slavers here. Spiritually, you just become a minion for demons if you accept this system and don't work for absolute equality without forcing slavery.

We live in a Evil sick world.
why would people Not comit suicide?
it ends all your troubles.

make the world a better places first.

Originally posted by buddha
We live in a Evil sick world.
why would people Not comit suicide?
it ends all your troubles.

make the world a better places first.

Evil and sick? No. Just some of the people in it.

And this makes things better how?

No...just leaves them for others to clean up.

Then why suicide at all?

Lost an aunt and uncle both different sides of the family to suicide both over money and both used a gun as their means to their demise.

It is cowardly, and it is selfish I honestly do not see how some people can let their perceived problems be so overwhelming to take that means of escape.

money is not the only reason for suicide but it ranks up there.

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by beezzer
Suicide is a solution to a problem. Albiet, a poor solution, but one none the less.

Now are we seeing people resort to suicide because of economic malaise?

Or

Are we seeing the result of a generation with poor decision-making abilities?

I am vastly sick of the heartless and stupidity of this idea.

In a society where only a few jobs have enough to live on, where its musical chairs for jobs and its a scarsity system, and in a world where billions out 7 billion are living in abject poverty. You're not making good problem solving decisions if you are well off and comfy while everyone else is being taken out behind the shed by the slavers here. Spiritually, you just become a minion for demons if you accept this system and don't work for absolute equality without forcing slavery.

Working for absolute equality?

Is that where everyone is equal, everyone has the same stuff, everyone has the same pay, where there is no drive, no ambition, no challenge, no risk of failure?

In that type of society, you're enabling those who can't handle stress instead of teaching them how to cope.

Who benefits from suicide?

Not the children.
Not the spouse.
Not the relatives.

The only person that benefits is the one killing themselves. Because then, they no longer have to deal with the stress.

Suicide is not a rational act and, I would assume, is undertaken by most people during what one could deem as a psychotic break. If one loses their ability to think rationally then it's hard to assign moral blame to them for an act that they are not technically responsible for.

I attempted suicide in the early nineties. I was watching a football game and drinking a 12 pack of Heineken on a Sunday. I was in a good mood and had no major stresses happening in my life.

The next thing I new I woke up in a hospital and was informed that I had taken an entire bottle of barbiturates, looped a Pearl Jam song called "Black" on my CD player, wrote a note, and was found, semi-conscious by my, then, girlfriend.

To this day I have no clue what triggered this or why I did it. The doctors, after much evaluation, simply said it was an alcohol induced psychotic episode.

I don't speak of this often ( although I have on ATS a few times for some odd reason ) because it is embarrassing and I realize it's hard for people to accept that I am clueless as to the why's and wherefores of it all. I only share now to inform folks that sometimes the mind just snaps and people aren't themselves. You can't judge a person in that context.

~Heff

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All I'm going to say regarding suicide, is it's personal and I don't think anyone has a clue what some of these people are going through who do the deed.

Just saying, "it's selfish", or "it's irrational" is ... dumb.

I think it's a basic right for a person to off their selves if they feel this ride isn't worth the price of the admission.

In some cultures it's the last decent thing to do when one has lost their honor.

I don't find words like "cowardly" and "weak" to be very useful when talking about suicide. They sound like shaming language to me...an attempt to make people not want to go down that road by trying to create the impression that the act is shameful. While shaming language may be used with good intent (i.e., to stop somebody from doing something destructive), its not usually very accurate OR effective.

I went through major depression and if you have never done so you can't understand the pain of just trying to wake up and make it through a day. Drawing each breath can be agony, stuff like tying your shoes or making a sandwich are major battles. In such cases suicide can seem very attractive as a release and a way to just go to sleep, as it were.

I do not condone suicide and I think there are better ways but also part of me believes that if an individual wishes to die, its his or her right. None of us asked to be brought to this world and its not an easy place for many people, for all kinds of reasons. The problem with suicide is that it is an irreversable act. Also there are issues if the person has dependants, especially children. Clearly alternative solutions should be sought. But using shaming language like "weak" and "cowardly" both misses the point and serves to isolate depressed individuals even more.