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I don;t think most American Black Muslims are really hardcore Muslims.
carried it forward because some of them don;t want to accept the "white man's religion".
There might be few black supporters who are religious
are you African American by any chance? did you convert from Islam? If not how do you know?
why use the word BLACK instead of African American?
majority of people in Africa are CHRISTIAN and not MUSLIM!
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Why is it whenever someone criticizes Islam people gotta attack Christianity, even if the person who is criticizing Islam not a Christian?
It seems to be some sort of nonsense internet rule. I guess I'd call it internet rule number 188,
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by DeadSnow
reply to post by RedParrotHead
I'm tired of people mentioning Sharia Law because they read it online, cmon now is that they only thing you guys can come up with. Perhaps if you read the book you may stumble across a lot of other excuses to hate a religion so similar to Christianity and Judaism that you know nothing of.
Do you know why they call them the Abrahamic religions religions?
have you even bothered to read this whole thread or just a few of the posts and then got your bonnet all twisted up. It has already been discussed over and over about christianity's evils as well. Not gonna rehash it.
Let me guess, you are black AND muslim? If so, thats your biz. This thread was started because I was curious about how blacks can follow a religion who persecuted their ancestors so badly?
Originally posted by RedParrotHead
reply to post by DeadSnow
Wait, these people live by Sharia law. How many people have been executed because of breaking such laws? Do you read the news? When was the last time someone was killed by a government for "blasphemy" in any other religion?
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by RedParrotHead
reply to post by DeadSnow
Wait, these people live by Sharia law. How many people have been executed because of breaking such laws? Do you read the news? When was the last time someone was killed by a government for "blasphemy" in any other religion?
excellent point! Just today I read where muslims are petitioning the UN to make it an international law that anyone who "insults" their religion is breaking the law. God only knows what the punishment would be.
Originally posted by Nana2
Dead Snow: DO you live somewhere without Tv or radio or newspapers? Are you not familiar with the ambassoder and 3 others who were murdered because somebody in the US made a silly little film which "offended islam"?
They themsleves said thats why they killed them.
I don't get how people can be so blind in this day and age?
You asked how many the government has killed for Blasphemy, well thousands and thousands.
Originally posted by RedParrotHead
reply to post by DeadSnow
You asked how many the government has killed for Blasphemy, well thousands and thousands.
Alright, I'll be more specific. How many people have any non-Islamic governments killed for break laws specific to religious blasphemy - in modern times?
Originally posted by DeadSnow
Originally posted by Nana2
Dead Snow: DO you live somewhere without Tv or radio or newspapers? Are you not familiar with the ambassoder and 3 others who were murdered because somebody in the US made a silly little film which "offended islam"?
They themsleves said thats why they killed them.
I don't get how people can be so blind in this day and age?
Uh yeah I have no TV or Newspapers but still manage to get on ATS and type this...
Well an ambassador and 3 workers, that makes 4. What about all the middle easterners the US has killed since the war on terror, oh wait forgive me...since the hunt for Osama Bin Laden turned into the hunt for weapons of mas destruction which then turned into the hunt for Saddam and back to the Hunt for Osama and God knows what they hell they're still doing there.
Did I miss something? Really?
They're not in the US, the US is over there killing innocent people as well as rebels and Islamic radicals. Yeah I said Radicals, but there's a fine line between a civilian who would do anything under his/her power to create peace and equality, and someone that forces their religion onto others for personal or political reasons. Let's not forget who funded and trained these Islamic radicals.
I'm sorry if I'm not been biased or racist or maybe for being sympathetic towards these people you speak of as animals.
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
reply to post by Nana2
Sounds like you live somewhere with ONLY a tv...Do you really think the actions of some radicals on the margin represents the entire world of Islam.
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by DeadSnow
Originally posted by Nana2
Dead Snow: DO you live somewhere without Tv or radio or newspapers? Are you not familiar with the ambassoder and 3 others who were murdered because somebody in the US made a silly little film which "offended islam"?
They themsleves said thats why they killed them.
I don't get how people can be so blind in this day and age?
Uh yeah I have no TV or Newspapers but still manage to get on ATS and type this...
Well an ambassador and 3 workers, that makes 4. What about all the middle easterners the US has killed since the war on terror, oh wait forgive me...since the hunt for Osama Bin Laden turned into the hunt for weapons of mas destruction which then turned into the hunt for Saddam and back to the Hunt for Osama and God knows what they hell they're still doing there.
Did I miss something? Really?
They're not in the US, the US is over there killing innocent people as well as rebels and Islamic radicals. Yeah I said Radicals, but there's a fine line between a civilian who would do anything under his/her power to create peace and equality, and someone that forces their religion onto others for personal or political reasons. Let's not forget who funded and trained these Islamic radicals.
I'm sorry if I'm not been biased or racist or maybe for being sympathetic towards these people you speak of as animals.
you said you didnt know of anyone who had been murdered, etc in this??Should have known it was just a set up to bash America. While I agree the killing is many times by the US, and maybe not for something as "noble" as for being insulted, let's not forget the BILLIONS sent to those regions by AMERICA to aid them!
Who called them animals? You are jsut looking for a fight, nothing more.
They're not in the US? Are u crazy???
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
You could just as easily ask Europeans/white people why they all belong to a Church that has historically dominated and oppressed millions.
Thats not the point of this thread. Two wrongs dont make a right. The point of this thread is to ask the question- Why would you follow a religion that has a history of genocide, as well as enslavement , towards your people, all while you complain about similiar treatment from another group (whites)?
Get it? I dont see how they justify it?
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Nana2
Originally posted by Nana2
Why do you support a religion who in rather large numbers in some countries DO kill, etc?, after that religion killed so many of your own people
Why do millions of white Christians support a religion whose members HATE and who protest at soldiers' funerals? Why do they support a religion that, in the past, has killed millions of their own race?
How many times do I have to say it? Those who do such things in the name of religion are not doing it because that religion TAUGHT it to them, they are off on their own religious tagent. Whereas islam TEACHES violence.
Now, I am not a christian, I dont follow any manmade religion. Just using it as an example.
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by forklift
Christianity caused divisions, that's why you get separate black churches to whites.
In Islam you will see Blacks/Arabs/Asians/Whites all praying shoulder to shoulder in the same mosque.
ok fine, just as ridiculous that whites do it too. Since whites , although not in as large a number were also killed by muslims. THAT is not the point of this thread.
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
reply to post by Nana2
No, I didn't read the link because your point is nonsense. And I know the history. The buyer and sellers are no worse, completely complicit. The Christians provided the guns that turned Africa upside down. Christians preceded to colonize Africa in the 1800's. Christians were enslaving them overtly until1865, segregationally until 1963, and economically until today. You really can't see the link between slavery, segregation, discrimination, and current African American poverty? African Americans couldn't buy a house in a decent school district 50 years ago.
By the way, most African Americans are Christian, so why are you picking on a small segment? Why not allow some black communities to identify with a tradition other than the one that owned them as masters for a few hundred years. And why not allow them to choose a tradition that exists in high numbers among native Africans.
Honestly, you sound very bias and racist.
This is absolutely ridiculous. I can't even believe I'm arguing this.
You made my point exactly! Why would they follow ANY religion, that of whites, who admittedly have a bad history with treatment of them, OR that of islam, who ALSO has a bad history with their people? There is no difference, but for this thread's sake, I ONLY ASKED ABOUT THE MUSLIM PART!
That does not mean I think other religions should get a pass. Just narrowing it down.
Now I am laughing, WHAT exactly did I say that was racist or biased?? Can you quote me just one of my sentences where I did?
The old race card, never gets old to you people does it? When you can't legitamately argue a point you go back to that. I must have hit a nerve with you, are you a muslim who can't admit the evils of your own religion?
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Nana2
Whereas MUSLIMS have killing others who don't agree with their religion as one of the core teachings in their religion.
No they do not.
Provide some proof for such.
say whaaaatt? Read my post above with multiple quotes from their own religion. Their own "bible" per say, the Qu'ran.
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by BluFenix
reply to post by Nana2
Are you Christian? Why do you support a religion that killed people to convert them to Christianity many years ago?
There is hypocrisy in your words, friend. Please be aware of them when you speak.
I already stated I am not christian. I do not follow any manmade religion.
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
I don't completely defend Islam, I just have a problem with people writing it off like you are. If these problems are to be solved and the world is to become more sophisticated in relationship to God, there can't be blatant disrespect to more than a fifth of the world.
And really, the theology is pretty much in line with other major religions when it comes to the biggest ideas.
My friend, I enjoy discussing with you, but honestly, what rock are you living under? What other religion advocates the violence, the rape, women being lower than cattle? What "biggest ideas" are in common with other religions? Are you referring to the kinder passages in islam religion. You DO realize that those were ONLY meant for the blind followers of islam dont you? Certainly not for the "infidels."
Originally posted by Nana2
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Nana2
Oh those ones taken out of context? The ones about fighting back against armies and peoples that attacked them? Gotcha!
Here's some verses from the Bible you might want to brush up on before you go running around willy nilly like you are.
Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Joshua 10:28And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho.31And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah.
2 Kings 2:23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
2 Kings 15:16Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Psalms 137:9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Ezekial 9: 5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
Hosea 9:16Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
Hosea 13:16Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Won't someone think of the children!?
You need to get YOUR facts straight. Everything you quoted is from the old testament. Christians as a whole, follow the NEW testament. Now, I am NOT defending christianity at all! I happen to beleive that ALL man made religions are worthless.edit on 19-9-2012 by Nana2 because: (no reason given)