Game Changer?: China's F-35 (F-60 / J-21 / flatbed fighter) emerges!, page 1

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Topic started on 16-9-2012 @ 06:00 AM by ErEhWoN

Looks like we have pics of China's newest fighter, not to be confused with the J-20

This is the J-20. Note the canards and twin fin in wing configuration.

These are pics of the J-21. Note the lack of canards and the tail placement. This is smaller in size than the J-20, and shows the rapid advancement of the Chinese military aircraft development. Their engine technology is, however, said to be a decade behind.

But these are advanced fighters, and would likely be offered for sale to certain countries with which the US is not excactly best of friends.

aviationintel.com...

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edit on 16-9-2012 by ErEhWoN because: fixed the pics

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reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:05 AM by ZerkerVirus

Images don't seem to work for me.
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Edit: nvm they do now

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reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:07 AM by ErEhWoN

reply to post by ZerkerVirus

yeah, was having a weird prob with the pics, switched them to thumbs.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:09 AM by justwokeup

Looks like the theft of F-35 drawings was put to good use.

Better restart the F-22 line ASAP.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:15 AM by ErEhWoN

reply to post by justwokeup

Naw. lets get the 6th gen fighters going!

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:21 AM by ThinkingCap

I don't see what the purpose of this is other than educational, really.

Do you really believe China is going to lend these jets to some sort of "dangerous country?

if so, which country are you speaking of?

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:24 AM by ErEhWoN

reply to post by ThinkingCap

Pakistan in particular would find an F-60 as an ideal option to counter India’s looming T-50/PAK-FA low observable fighter. Even south American, African or some Middle Eastern air arms may jump at the opportunity to acquire low-cost stealth as they have no need for the F-35′s super-avionics suite or its massive price-tag. That is if these countries would be allowed to buy the F-35 in the first place, whereas China seems to be willing to sell to almost anyone with the cash to make a deal happen! Additionally, in an aircraft like the J-21/F-60, China may have a foreign policy weapon as much as a military one. If they were to export these aircraft to their “favored” trading partners and allies, even at or below cost, it would present the US with a widespread and dispersed threat on a threatening level that we have not seen since the Cold War. Just as the US will export its military hardware to “ring” and contain China, China could do a similar thing with the F-60/J-21, a weapon system that actually matters.

From the AviationIntel website. NK, Venezuela, Iran, Pakistan would seem like candidates for sales. Syria if its still around.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:30 AM by maryhinge

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by justwokeup

Naw. lets get the 6th gen fighters going!

thats a bad arse fighter jet

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reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:33 AM by Socrato

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by justwokeup

Naw. lets get the 6th gen fighters going!

How does that fly with no tail?

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:39 AM by pheonix358

Originally posted by Socrato

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by justwokeup

Naw. lets get the 6th gen fighters going!

How does that fly with no tail?

Fine under computer control, if the computer crashes so does the airframe.

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reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:41 AM by justwokeup

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by justwokeup

Naw. lets get the 6th gen fighters going!

If the F-35 gestation is any benchmark the Chinese will have the 6th gen knock off flying before the real thing flies.

What this really tells us is that 20 year development cycles are no longer acceptable for western aircraft.

The twin follies of aircraft manufacturer consolidation and attempts to produce a jack of all trades platform has hurt us badly. When you couple that with poor computer security you have a recipe for disaster.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 06:44 AM by Trillium

Originally posted by Socrato

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by justwokeup

Naw. lets get the 6th gen fighters going!

How does that fly with no tail?

Sorry that on a need to know base and you Don't

Mayby they cant steal that know now too

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 07:03 AM by jcarpenter

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 07:56 AM by FidelityMusic

Oh just wait til you HEAR what the U.S. has up its sleeves. You thought touch screen phones were innovation on small budgets. Wait until you HEAR what a Trillion dollar budget can get you, you won't be seeing this one.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 08:12 AM by ANNED

Any plane is less then half of the equation. US pilots can out fly pilots in most of the rest of the world.

only a few countries have pilots equal to US pilots and they are all friendly countries.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 10:51 AM by projectvxn

Im not worried about China. Even with new technology available to them, they still dont have the capability of projecting that power beyond their immediate region.

While American air power is impressive, jets like these are merely a vehicle for the delivery of weapon systems. US weapons are far more advanced than anything China can come up with. All China seems to do is display the hardware without releasing basic avionics info or capability demos. We've done that even with the F22. China has a long way to go.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 11:14 AM by dcmb1409

Never underestimate an opponent just like football on any given Sunday anything can happen. But I still have a bias view on anything made in China because of past poor material and workmanship on products. The F-22 not only is stealthy it also has advanced avionics as claimed by its website.

The F-22’s integrated avionics gives it first-look, first-shot, first-kill capability that will guarantee U.S. air dominance for the next 40 years.

Source: www.f22-raptor.com...

Its more than just an airframe that matters.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 11:26 AM by citizenx1

Originally posted by ANNED
Any plane is less then half of the equation. US pilots can out fly pilots in most of the rest of the world.

only a few countries have pilots equal to US pilots and they are all friendly countries.

Thats just silly. Do you really think other nations do not have capable individuals who can acquire the necessary skills and experience to compete on the same level?

Even if you were blind to that, a bigger country with more resources can simply throw ten times the amount of planes and pilots at a battle and obliterate even the best the US can produce.

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 07:36 PM by pheonix358

Originally posted by dcmb1409
Never underestimate an opponent just like football on any given Sunday anything can happen. But I still have a bias view on anything made in China because of past poor material and workmanship on products. The F-22 not only is stealthy it also has advanced avionics as claimed by its website.

The F-22’s integrated avionics gives it first-look, first-shot, first-kill capability that will guarantee U.S. air dominance for the next 40 years.

Source: www.f22-raptor.com...

Its more than just an airframe that matters.

This is the sort of advertising that sold the project to the politicians. For all you know it could be crap.

The US has to use all this advertising because they want to sell these aircraft.

Seriously, for all you know, for all the US military knows, these Chinese Fighters could have phasers, shields and transporters! You just don't know. They could have new radar, new missiles or a new laser defense system.

The US always thinks it has the best. Then they test it on third world countries and sing about the success.

P

reply posted on 16-9-2012 @ 08:02 PM by Lil Drummerboy

Originally posted by ANNED
Any plane is less then half of the equation. US pilots can out fly pilots in most of the rest of the world.

only a few countries have pilots equal to US pilots and they are all friendly countries.

Yes, and given the lack of quality assurance that china has with everything they build I would place a good wager they have many issues of mechanical breakdowns.

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