Originally posted by JustSlowlyBackAway
I can see I'm dealing with a rational skeptic here
I wouldn't like to call myself a skeptic in this case, I'm merely not "impressed" by this shadow-people concept because we have enough knowledge
of the brain today to say that these things are created inside a person's head.
The scientific method is fantastic that way, that it tries to eliminate the personal footprint in a work, and make sure we observe the nature,
document what we see and make experiments repeatable.
If I told you that God is an indestructible white horse, except the left head (there's three) is brown, and only the size of a ordinary wooden chair
and he normally does not appear to people.
In the scientific sense, the above statement is irrelevant. Science is not "skeptic" about it. It simply doesn't care.
However, when it comes the shadow-people, science DOES have something to say about it, mostly indirectly, but also in part directly. As a whole, it
too makes the "shadow-people" concept irrelevant, because it's already explained on another level.
I'll proceed commenting your post and add explanations of the above in them. If I have more to say after that, I'll add it in the end. Sounds
- just like I once was. And I can listen and hear your arguments against these things. I made the "demeaning" comment because you said it was all
in their heads. In other words, you dismissed an experience as being imagined by declaring it that.
Yes, I can understand that it could be hurtful to say someone's hallucinating (or whatever term might be the most suitable, I don't know), as it
could imply that one's gone crazy, unless they've taken drugs that cause hallucinations, no?
However, taking the scientific approach, I have to bring up the facts on reasons why these hallucinations appear. I can't agree on someone's story
for the sake of not hurting him/her, correct? In this case the factual reasons on why the person saw these things happen to have an explanation like
this. It is not my fault.
Experience is a very good teacher, and until you have a few really juicy, verifiable ones of your own, it really is quite easy to dismiss other
peoples' as being woo woo.
You are correct. Experience is a very good teacher. And the combined experience of these cases have taught us something. Namely, that they are
occurring in the patients' heads.
Also, I would like to add that it might also be an interesting experience for people who have experienced "Shadow-people" and thinking at them as
such, to try out hallucinatory drugs to see that the same and/or similar encounters can be created whenever you want.
Deja Vu not real? Are you saying deja vu or premonitions are never real? How odd. I'm serious when I say I'm baffled by that. Have you never had
one, or known someone who has?
I expressed myself hastily (nor is English my mother tongue, nor do I live in a country where it's spoken), sorry.
Yes, I have experienced Deja Vus, mostly when I was younger. Remember having one the other week, though.
I can describe it as a sudden sensation that whatever the situation I'm in, it has happened before. But together with this sensation, I just can't
put my finger on when or where this happened previously.
So yes, of course it's possible that in some instances, this sensation is created because it HAS happened before AND that you HAVE forgotten where or
when it happened.
But we know today that this typical Deja Vu feeling is created on the spot from this very event, thanks to, among others, people who have a conditions
where Deja Vus are extremely frequent.
I looked at your link to the scientific explanation for shadow people. It was describing a person who had electric shocks administered to her head,
right? Hallucinations of an attached shadow image ensued. This isn't really close to the experiences of most (actually any) people seeing shadow
people. They just see them.
You mean, that they don't interact with them? In that case, they should be even "simpler" hallucinations?
I did a quick search and found this as the first hit. It mentions even violent encounters:
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