posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 02:47 AM
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
But but but you say, the Soviet Union wasn't really communism or socialism after all, oh no it was really fascism.....never realizing that fascism is
cut from the same cloth as communism and socialism and is but a variant. Totalitarianism is the constant characterization of all these different
methods of centralized control.]
But that isn't true, socialism and fascism are completely different. For one socialism is an economic system, and fascism is a political system.
Socialism is not a method of centralised control, it is the workers ownership of the means of production. Just because Russia used the term communism
it doesn't mean what Russia did was communism, it wasn't. They did not use the term communism as a description of their economic system.
Hitler did not use socialism to mean the same thing as socialists...
Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time
instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary". Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined "socialism" as meaning a
commitment of an individual to a community. Hitler claimed that "true" socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism,
and claimed that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and said that "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not
Hitler was a lunatic, I can't believe anyone would take anything seriously he did, or said, only if it suits your agenda I guess eh?
If you actually read the Communist Manifesto, I suggest you do, it's only 64 pages and easily available, you would understand why the USSR was not
"communist" as communism was envisioned by Marx, Engels, and others. So trying to equate the "communism" of the USSR with the communism of Marxism is
silly at best.
Whether owned by the state or by private individuals, if the means to produce are not worker owned it is not socialism/communism. Both are forms of
hierarchy and both are detrimental to the worker. Socialism/communism is/was a workers movement, not a form of government. Government appropriated
left-wing terms for their own agendas not because they supported the labour movement.
edit on 9/11/2012 by ANOK because: (no reason given)