Let's take a look at the PoleShift/PlanetX doomsayers, shall we?

I just loved this post from the little bit I read about Vivos..

The company has been the focus of a tremendous amount of publicity and attention, with a television show in production known as the 'Last Family On Earth', based on a number of families competing for ownership space in a Vivos shelter. While there was much skepticism when the project first launched; having completed and sold out the first shelters, people and the media appear to be wanting to get aboard.

Let's not also forget AstrolPatriot. I don't know if he's still active after being exposed on the internet as a pedophile but without his efforts the Elenin fiasco probably wouldn't have been as big as it was.

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What Doomsayer Rating would you give him/it
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Let's not also forget AstrolPatriot. I don't know if he's still active after being exposed on the internet as a pedophile but without his efforts the Elenin fiasco probably wouldn't have been as big as it was.

AstrolPatriot had a conversion experience and broke with Terral. It was Terral who "leaked" the pedophile story!

Originally posted by DJW001
Then there is the elementary school drop out who authored this gem:

www.scribd.com...

I am not a high school dropout and I gave my stamp of approval to much of Terral's work.

I told Terral I felt the object was farther out than he figured.

Doesn't really matter if there is an object or not or if it is called Nibiru. A rose by any name....

Nibiru=Doom. The Doom is real.

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But there's no proof of this being real, this is why it's called Doomsaying... unless it actually happens it's just a marketing gimmick.

AHHHHHHH! I have been in contact with my alien friends...The Ickanocky...and they tell that by the end of the year the Earth will be attacked by the dreaded MOMMY HEADS! So prepare.

Anybody who has ever tried to 'look busy' at work knows just how much effort goes in that.

Now imagine if your job was to keep people scared (so they aren't thinking) of a bogey man that is going to kill them unless they buy your product. Not some small bogey man who you can shoot - no, this has to be a bogey man of epic proportions. Your .45 won't stop an asteroid, rogue planet, or even a cosmic fleet of evil Sporks.

It would take a solid amount of work to keep your listener or reader afraid just enough to buy your story but not so afraid they forget their credit card numbers. Remember the end of this is for you to be able to sell them your backpack full of freeze dried yak meat, or book or traffic to your website where you sell them a book on how to eat the freeze dried yak meat they just bought off your website.

There is a balance that has to be established so that you don't go too far (i.e. we're all gonna die tomorrow!) and end up being stuck trying to explain why the day after tomorrow we're all still here. Lets face it, you can only bump that Armageddon date so many times before your rubes get wise to it.

So you have to have a nightmare scenario that you can actually scare them with but be flexible so your revenue stream doesn't dry up. After all, this is all about the money.

Planet going to slam into us? Nice. Good bogey man. Can't exactly avoid that one but the problem is how do you sell your 'Survival Guide' or even your freeze dried yak meat? (available on your website along with the books on how to cook it) The problem with this bogey man is rather obvious.

So where do you go?

Aliens in the asteroid belt who are here to enslave mankind?
That's a good one, you can bump the date of our enslavement as new information is made up..er, becomes available. Plus... Aliens! You know. AY-LEE-INS they're scary but you can stop them (with help from our Alien Fighter Kit which is available on our website) Plus everybody already knows that Aliens don't eat freeze dried yak meat (which is available on our website along with the books on how to cook it)

Really, in all seriousness - it's bunk.
It's selling fear and superstition to people who in many cases should know better.
The hooks are always the same and the bait as well.

It doesn't matter if they're selling aliens, kamikaze planets, or angry angles with flaming swords and monster horses.

You observe the mark.
You get inside her/her/their head and find their fear.
You tell them a story (aliens, planets, devils, mice with human brains...whatever)
You tell them how special they are because they are smart and have this secret hidden wisdom.
You tell them anybody who contradicts this story is part of the conspiracy to keep that information from them.
You tell them they are not alone and show them conversations or meeting with like minded people (the old magician trick of planted volunteer works excellent for this trick)

You have them eating out of your hand and this is when you pull out the bottle of Doctor Zog's Miracle Elixir, or your book, or your website, or your radio show or in some cases... your cable TV show.

Right from Doom Prophet to Doom Profit.

It works the same whether it's angels or aliens ...or even hidden secret planets.

Even intelligent people can fall under the spell of a delusional mind.
All you have to do is think about the way cult leaders program their victims and these 'doom seller' types are not that far off.

Face it, we all want to know the unknown. I know I do.
But I am not willing to drink Drain-O no matter what some 'all knowing' type tells me.

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I am not a high school dropout and I gave my stamp of approval to much of Terral's work.

Then why don't you know that density equals mass divided by volume?

Originally posted by AgentSmith
It always cracks me up how the true "sheeple" are the ones who constantly accuse those of us who aren't gullible and thick of being sheep ourselves. Morons.

Thats why I usually call these doomsayers that don't listen to logic or reason Morples...

-saige-

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
I don't. Knnow why you would bother naming individual names.

Just say the truth, every single person who claims to have insider info from aliens, channeling, spirit walking,dream contacts, extra demintional entities, and sells survival stuffs on their site is a shill, lier, cheat, con artist etc...

Every single person who has ever believed any of their crap needs a psych eval, as they obviously were, or are crazy in the literal sense.

How does one hear #e, see #e, smell #e and get talked into believeing they are eating cupcakes?

I wouldn't go so far as to say every person. There are a plethora of these types of unexplained occurances. This type of statement also alludes to the belief that out of all the possible planets revolving around all of the possible stars in all of the possible galaxies that Earth is the only one capable of supporting life as we know it.

-saige-

Originally posted by DJW001
Then there is the elementary school drop out who authored this gem:

www.scribd.com...

The link didn't work for me but if it's the one I think you are referencing, just bad science all around.

"There is no gravity, only magnetism..." - ROFL

I thought it was extremely humerous how a certain someone on here tried to use that paper as proof of the existence of planet x, but without the magnetism stuff.

-saige-

Originally posted by stereologist
What a great thread. I get to relive all of these hilarious nut jobs again.

Let's not forget the disgraced Calleman that had something big happening last October. He was giventhe title of prophet of nonsense by the archaeologist Normark.

Who was the one that released a video a few years back about an Earthquake of like magnitude 14 or something crazy like that? I've been looking for the video again so that I could laugh some more.

-saige-

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I don't think I had the pleasure of seeing that piece of comedy. It does sound pretty funny when people make up such nonsense and think they can actually get away with it. Then again there were probably people supporting the fairy tale.

Originally posted by saige45

Originally posted by DJW001
Then there is the elementary school drop out who authored this gem:

www.scribd.com...

The link didn't work for me but if it's the one I think you are referencing, just bad science all around.

"There is no gravity, only magnetism..." - ROFL

I thought it was extremely humerous how a certain someone on here tried to use that paper as proof of the existence of planet x, but without the magnetism stuff.

-saige-

That's the Nancy Lieder/Zetas Science

They claim the north pole of Planet X will cause the North Pole of Earth to repel like Magnets do. But only Earth, no other planets will be afected by this.. and that is where all arguments fall apart IMO..

You are aware that poleshifts have happened in the past correct? and that we are also almost overdo for another one. Our governments may know when one will happen, but we the people will never know until we're flipped on our asses. The rest of the stuff you questioned all comes from as you said doomsayers.

A bit of truth and something to go by is what I believe helps tell if someone really knows the truth, and that is anyone who has had the truth revealed to them will not attempt to cause panic or make money, they will genuinely be concerned about spreading the message in a caring and convincing way, not by using scare tactics or begging you pay them money so they can spread their truth.

I for one though believe our downfall will be when the government(s) make a move on the people.

Originally posted by SolarIce
You are aware that poleshifts have happened in the past correct? and that we are also almost overdo for another one. Our governments may know when one will happen, but we the people will never know until we're flipped on our asses. The rest of the stuff you questioned all comes from as you said doomsayers.

A bit of truth and something to go by is what I believe helps tell if someone really knows the truth, and that is anyone who has had the truth revealed to them will not attempt to cause panic or make money, they will genuinely be concerned about spreading the message in a caring and convincing way, not by using scare tactics or begging you pay them money so they can spread their truth.

I for one though believe our downfall will be when the government(s) make a move on the people.

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And you, I hope, are aware of the difference between the pole shift that the doomsayers pass off as a pole shift vs. the proven pole shifts that have happened in the past?

If not, please allow me to enlighten you.

Many doomsayers believe and pass off the pole shift event as a physical shift in the earth's pole's. This is an impossibility. If, however, it were possible, it would not matter if the government knew about it or not, nothing on the planet (or even the planet itself) would survive such an event.

The proven pole shifts that have happened in the past are of the magnetic variety. There is nothing in any records (fossil or otherwise) to suggest anything more than magnetic pole shifts happen. In other words, there have been no affects attributed to life on the planet because of magnetic pole shifts. Theoretically living entities or man-made objects that depend on the location of magnetic north/south would be effected, but not adversly.

-saige-

I mentioned this Lucus and here are some notes from his rabbit hole site.

rabbit hole 2 dot com (Without the spaces of course.)

Don't be that guy, you know, the ones they always show in "end times" movies standing outside the gates of the compound banging on the fence screaming "Let Us In!" Many groups, military, private security, and armed militias will have shoot to kill orders. Stay away from their compounds at all means and don't give them a reason to shoot you, because they will.

I was the first guy to tie the ancient petroglyphs and the Norway Spiral together. To many people, that was the kicker, seeing so many spiral petroglyphs associated with catastrophe.

As events pick up globally, the shills have been running around like freaks trying their best to discredit anything related to cosmic events.

When you go his so-called research section it is really pretty much unorganized garbage.
rabbit hole 2 dot com / presentation /research dot htm

Why do I say that? I'll give a few reasons.
1. Begin with the chart at the top. He has several things plotted against time. He places dates for events that are not known such as when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. The fact is no one knows where these places were or if they existed at all. He has an exact date for the exodus. There is no archaeological evidence it ever happened. He has Mt Mazama exploding to create Crater Lake. Not what happened. It was a collapse of the caldera. He lists events 1, 2, 3, and 4 which do not coincide with anything on his chart.

2. Under discovery we see that no news comes after 1987. Just older speculations and misrepresentations.

3. The preparations section is a mess of unrelated topics that causes the word pareidolia to immediately come to mind.

4. Then there is a list of shows in which it is seen how well modern people would fare with less. What is so shameful is that it often has people using technologies still in use in parts of the world today.

5. Then there are some places where he gets all hot and bothered about failed launches and spinning missiles forming spirals.

6. Then there is this silly section on fireballs. What Lucus does not inform his readership is that the AMS, the American Meteor Society, estimates that thousands of fireballs occur each day. He lists a handful over 2 years time. Probably a million occurred during that time interval.

7. Under quakes he lists a 3.8! Are you kidding? There are several M5 or better quakes each day. Why list so few?

8. Under volcanoes there are a few listed over more than a year of time. There are over 10 volcanoes active at any given time. No Indonesian volcanoes or Italian volcanoes listed. That in itself is odd. No Hawaiian eruptions either. That's just weird.

9. The storms and animals and stuff is just more bad laundry listing.

10. Next is one of his hilarious moments which is titled "The Science Coverup." What a rube. The information comes from the science. All Lucus has to to is misrepresent it. For example he links to a video about Aldrin that is gone. He Also claims that Google is hiding something that happened in 1983 by blacking out part of Google Sky. That part of the DSSS is available to people that want to look at the original images being used by Google. He claims that the cratering on the far side of the Moon must be due to his fictional planet thingy he calls the Destroyer.

11. The ancient artifacts is pretty funny. He claims gears were invented 1000 after they were used in the Antikythera Mechanism. Weird don't you think? Actually , they were used before this device was built. No need to beat the Baghdad Battery claims to death. The screw in the rock is what is called a concretion.

The list of baloney goes on and on. But he is definitely claiming destruction from the Destroyer as he calls it. I'd only give me a DS of 7 mainly because his material is so poorly organized.

Freeze dried yak mean can survive a pole shift! (available on website)

The 'Pole Shift' is another perfect bogey man scenario
Probably one of the best when you think about it.

It provides the terror incident with the right level destruction yet with 'special knowledge' one can expect to survive. Without that 'special knowledge'... burnt toast. You don't want to be burnt toast do you? Of course you don't.. You're smart.

Science (junk or otherwise) can be used to prop up the story and of course the evil shadow governments du jour is/are out to keep you (yes, you...) from learning this truth!

The polar shift doomsday scenario works this way.

Simply take something that exists... for example, the Grand Canyon. Now say it's proof that Aliens have attacked the Earth before because the age of the rocks in the canyon are quite old and humans didn't have weapons capable of such damage. Clearly Aliens did it. We've been lied to all along (play special knowledge card here) and now the truth is coming out slowly. As if a tiny little river could create that? Only foolish people (you don't want to be foolish do you?) would believe that 'official story'. 3... 2...1... Pitch products here.

Just because the Grand Canyon exists is not proof that my bonkers theory about how it came about is valid. The exact same thing goes for previous locations of magnetic poles and doomsayer theories regarding them.

The people selling these doom theories are not only dealing in modern snake oil, they are infecting important and rational discussion with mental poison.

Rather than a scientific discussion regarding Earth's axis, polar shifts and how life adapts to such matters, the conversation devolves into peddling packets of Magic Beans, freeze dried yak meat and directing traffic to sadly comical YouTube channels.

Someone else to add to the list:

Bill Schepis aka Captain Bill aka atlanticobr aka Mythi

Came across some rather interesting information about Captain Bill aka Mythi today and thought he now really needs to be added to the list. As you know there is a thread even here on ATS all about his "changelings" of an Alien from Andromeda named Mythi, that gives us lots of Doom Porn from the "Community Galactica" (As the word Galactica is an English Word, and is from a US Television Show we'll just leave that alone for now)

Anyhow, Mythi is currently giving us all some good doom, 40-60 days from now we will have no internet, and he will be the only one to tell us when Nibiru will slam the planet. He intermixes all the prerequisite peace love and happiness into his videos as well as a very overt environmental agenda, not surprising as his son runs, wait for it.... An environmental action company in Brasil. YAY!

Bill himself runs a company called : Atlantico Brokers (atlanticobr, hmm) that sells boats, and seafaring stuff. He's rich in his own right and therefore doesn't need like others to take donations or hock products to push this hoax. But I'll just let you do the research on him, and see for yourself, that he's just as bad, and just as out there as the rest of the doomsayers.. I'd love to give him a 10 but since he's not hocking products he can only max rate a 7.

For further reference Captain Bill, if you wanna get an environmental message out, there are better ways than making up an alien to do your talking.