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By naming Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan to the Republican presidential ticket, Mitt Romney offered Democrats an opportunity to reject demagoguery and engage in a serious intellectual debate about the future.
Or so says conventional media wisdom. To this point, however, no such luck. The path of least political resistance, it seems, is to scaremonger the electorate with half-truths and outright lies. Mitt Romney might be running on his own budget—though he has embraced many of the components of the Ryan plan—but that hasn’t stopped Democrats.
1. No, the Ryan budget isn’t extreme
2. No, his plan doesn’t favor the rich
3. No, Ryan’s plan does not destroy Medicare
4. No, he’s not at war with women
5. No, he’s not a congressional obstructionist
3. No, Ryan’s plan does not destroy Medicare
Rep. Steve Israel of New York, a representative of the hyperventilating wing of the Democratic Party, recently claimed that Romney and Ryan partnership was a “nightmare for seniors who’ve earned their Medicare benefits. For the last 18 months, we’ve said Republicans will have to defend the indefensible—their vote to end Medicare.” Messina says that the duo would end “Medicare as we know it by turning it into a voucher system.” And Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, has been running around from one media outlet to the next casually claiming that Ryan’s plan would destroy Medicare for today’s seniors.
No, no and no. The Wyden-Ryan Medicare plan —co-authored by a liberal Democrat—wouldn’t affect anyone over 55. Seniors who’ve earned their Medicare benefits would not see a change, and those under 55 would not have to ever see a change either—unless they voluntarily took part in a more competitive plan. Even then, Washington would pay premiums as you made choices, which, if you believe in the basics of free market economics, would bring down prices and improve service.
Moreover, the liberal Urban Institute recently found that the average citizen will pay $149,000 in Medicare taxes but take out $351,000 in medical services during retirement. So it seems that in reality, the party unwilling to reform a program before it reaches the point of unsustainability is the one acting as the agent of its destruction.
“Governor Romney is talking nonsense," Wyden said in an emailed statement Saturday night. "Bipartisanship requires that you not make up the facts. I did not ‘co-lead a piece of legislation.' I wrote a policy paper on options for Medicare."
Thursday, December 15, 2011
WASHINGTON – This morning, U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) and U.S. Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI) introduced a new proposal that represents a major advance in the effort to build a more secure future for the millions of seniors who rely on Medicare.
The new report from Sen. Wyden and Rep. Ryan, titled “Guaranteed Choices to Strengthen Medicare and Health Security for All: Bipartisan Options for the Future,” outlines a bipartisan path forward on expanding health care choices for seniors while preserving a traditional Medicare plan as an option. The report also proposes to give Americans under 65 more power and freedom to purchase coverage they can carry with them into retirement. ................
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by xuenchen
Paul Ryan is sounding better and better all the time.
Now why couldn't HE have been #1 and better yet, telling Romney the VP slot isn't open to offer him?
We might actually get a VP that works for a living though. Now that would be a nice change for modern history.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by xuenchen
Paul Ryan is sounding better and better all the time.
Now why couldn't HE have been #1 and better yet, telling Romney the VP slot isn't open to offer him?
We might actually get a VP that works for a living though. Now that would be a nice change for modern history.
Look at it this way.
Mitt Romney = CEO
Paul Ryan = CFO
Vice President Paul Ryan will balance the books and ensure prosperity.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Look at it this way.
Mitt Romney = CEO
Paul Ryan = CFO
Vice President Paul Ryan will balance the books and ensure prosperity.
That is a very logical way of looking at it, given the way everyone presents themselves and their positions in this race. You know, for the left minded folk in this, I say that after the U.S. is backed up from the cliff of financial collapse and ruin...or after we get to the other side of the Abyss, whichever happens, Social change is important.
Someday in the future...when money again exists to do such things...many of the liberal based reforms probably make sense to varying degrees...
As you note right there though, CEO and CFO. Indeed. Very well put. When a community is bankrupt and ready to default across the board and collapse in on itself.....you don't recruit a community organizer to sow seeds of discontent and anger to bring social change. You hire a businessman who knows something about fixing this GIANT business we call America. It's sure on the verge of falling apart.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by xuenchen
No.
Paul Ryan supported TARP and supported making the patriot act permenant. So don't try to sell us this garbage.
We know all we need to know about Paul Ryan.
All adults realize that National Security trumps Civil Liberties.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by xuenchen
And I am supposed to trust a source that itself attempts to spread lies???
Wyden Comments on him being a co-author of the Ryan plan:
www.huffingtonpost.com...
“Governor Romney is talking nonsense," Wyden said in an emailed statement Saturday night. "Bipartisanship requires that you not make up the facts. I did not ‘co-lead a piece of legislation.' I wrote a policy paper on options for Medicare."
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012
All adults realize that National Security trumps Civil Liberties.
You said this many times lately. I can't tell you how much this scares me.
If this is how the GOP thinks.....we are screwed!
My American brothers and sisters are fully able to defend themselves when needed. Unfortunately, we need a government to protect the rights of the people.
In fact, that is why this nation was founded.
I can only hope that you are an extremist within the party. If you're not...then I fear it may be you and your "party" coming for my freedoms next.
edit on 21-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012
All adults realize that National Security trumps Civil Liberties.
You said this many times lately. I can't tell you how much this scares me.
If this is how the GOP thinks.....we are screwed!
My American brothers and sisters are fully able to defend themselves when needed. Unfortunately, we need a government to protect the rights of the people.
In fact, that is why this nation was founded.
I can only hope that you are an extremist within the party. If you're not...then I fear it may be you and your "party" coming for my freedoms next.
edit on 21-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012
The best you can do is claim Obama thinks like I do and name-drop the ACLU?
You are a piece of work buddy.
I'd be willing to bet that you would be asking for your constitutional rights when the establishment kicks down your door to take them.
But of course as many of us on ATS know, you work for the establishment. That's why you say what you say.