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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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As I said before, you're turning out to be an intrusive, big-government liberal that would gladly give up your civil liberties as long as big daddy government takes care of you.

A welfare queen....




posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Come on doctor. - A shoot out on a civilian airliner at 30,000 feet? -

Give me a break.


Lets be reasonable. - One bullet hitting the window? -

Do you want to be the one flying out the window as the cabin depressurizes?


Before I went back to school, I was a Naval Aviator with about 2000 flight hours. In spite what the movies show you, a bullet hole would not cause explosive decompression. Besides, that was a bit of hyperbole, although, if one is law abiding to have a CCW, why not take it on an aircraft? Criminals and terrorists do not pass background checks. You do realize that for the first 40 or so years of civil aviation, there was no security and people did indeed bring their guns with them.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Yes, I read you link....and I give you credit for taking context and throwing it out the door. Here is what the link actually said:



The following types of speech are not protected constitutionally: defamation or false statements, child pornography, obscenity, damaging the national security interests, verbal acts, and fighting words.


It does not state that civil liberties damage national security interests, which is exactly what you were implying. What this means is that free speech stops when you verbally give the US nuke codes to the Russians and stuff like that.

So whom is the one that needs to grow up and be an adult? You couldn't even read this properly!


So, in other words - national security truly does - trump - civil liberties.

Wow, no kidding!


That's not what that says. It says that, in some instances, National Security is a reasonable limitation at times to free speech. Sort of like you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater under the first amendment because that act of speech can harm another individual. Telling state secrets to the enemy is not a protected act under the first amendment because you harm your fellow citizens. However, by the same token, "national security" is not free liscense to violate the first amendment either.


Well, that was the argument:

Go back to earlier posts.

Here it is: -- National Security trumps civil liberties --

You have given several examples that i am correct.


The best example is the Patriot Act.
- Patriot Act - Wiki


No, you state that national security "trumps" civil liberties. That is a bit of an absolute statement and, the very fact that some national security issues are held out as "exemptions" indicates that the consensus is not that NS "trumps" civil liberties, but that NS and Civil LIberties should be balanced when, in rare instance, they contradict each other. Would you agree or disagree that your home should be searched at random, without warrent, in the name of national security.

I already answered. My undergraduate education was at the United States Naval Academy. Before that, I was an enlisted Marine Corps rifleman (O311).


You have already proven my statement. -- National Security trumps Civil Liberties --

You have given many examples that i am correct.


Of course, we won't trash the constitution altogether but 9/11 changed everything.

Just ask Obama. BTW, have you noticed that the ACLU is very quiet about what is

going on at the airports?

The ACLU appears to be - whispering- " you know, you really shouldn't be doing that."

- illegal search and seizure - .

One quick glance at the White House changes - everything -.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Come on doctor. - A shoot out on a civilian airliner at 30,000 feet? -

Give me a break.


Lets be reasonable. - One bullet hitting the window? -

Do you want to be the one flying out the window as the cabin depressurizes?


Before I went back to school, I was a Naval Aviator with about 2000 flight hours. In spite what the movies show you, a bullet hole would not cause explosive decompression. Besides, that was a bit of hyperbole, although, if one is law abiding to have a CCW, why not take it on an aircraft? Criminals and terrorists do not pass background checks. You do realize that for the first 40 or so years of civil aviation, there was no security and people did indeed bring their guns with them.


I'll say this much. You are one qualified veteran.


A doctor - a marine - a naval aviator - wow!

BTW, i believe you.
Thank you for your service.
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I believe your history lesson. However, 9/11 changed everything.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Look at it this way.

Mitt Romney = CEO

Paul Ryan = CFO

Vice President Paul Ryan will balance the books and ensure prosperity.

He will also preserve and strengthen MediCare.




Right, because running a country of 310 million is completely analogous to running an investment partnership, or any company for that matter. He may be a good investor and good a making rich people much richer, but Romney was a complete disaster as governor:
1. so bad he did not even bother to run for re-election
2. the MA economy was so bad under his leadership his state saw massive outflows of the working population, second only to Louisiana (and that was due to Katrina)
3. the state's infrastructure crumbled under Romney
4. by the time he left, job creation was 47th in the nation



But an analysis of available jobs data for Massachusetts under Romney’s tenure as governor shows Romney may have difficulty selling himself as a job creator at a time when out of work Americans are looking for results. When Romney took office, there were 3,224,600 nonfarm seasonally adjusted jobs in Massachusetts. When he left office, there were 3,270,400, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (xls). That means under Romney’s economic policies Massachusetts saw a net gain of only 45,800 jobs; a growth rate of 1.42 percent. Other estimates vary. For example, the Massachusetts Executive Office of Labor and Workforce Development estimates job growth of 51,400 over that period. But in another analysis by Moody’s Economy.com, the number was lower: only 24,400. That placed Massachusetts 47th among all states in job creation from January 2003 to January 2007. Nonfarm seasonally adjusted jobs across the United States grew by 5.265 percent throughout the entire U.S. The Romney economy in Massachusetts significantly underperformed compared to other states in terms of job creation. Read more: dailycaller.com...


But it gets even MUCH worse:



The data are even more problematic when Romney’s record is compared to one of his predecessors, Michael Dukakis. On average Dukakis created roughly 45,209 jobs per year while he served as Governor of the Commonwealth, a total of 497,300 net new jobs from 1976 through 1979 and 1983 through 1991, according to Labor and Workforce. Dukakis, of course, attempted to make this “Massachusetts miracle” a centerpiece of his failed presidential campaign in 1988. His TV ads proudly boasted that he “created over 400,000 jobs…” By contrast, Romney — who is also making job creation a centerpiece of his presidential campaign — created only an average of 12,850 per year between 2003 and 2007.


That's some leadership skills he's got there.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Well, i see Paul Ryan as the guy who knows the numbers forwards and backwards.

It's obvious that Obama fears Paul Ryan.

Other democrats quite honestly respect Paul Ryan.

- Democrat Erskine Bowles -


Here is Paul Ryan in action.

Rush Limbaugh said Paul Ryan is "sinking 3 pointers !"



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


Come on doctor. - A shoot out on a civilian airliner at 30,000 feet? -

Give me a break.


Lets be reasonable. - One bullet hitting the window? -

Do you want to be the one flying out the window as the cabin depressurizes?


Before I went back to school, I was a Naval Aviator with about 2000 flight hours. In spite what the movies show you, a bullet hole would not cause explosive decompression. Besides, that was a bit of hyperbole, although, if one is law abiding to have a CCW, why not take it on an aircraft? Criminals and terrorists do not pass background checks. You do realize that for the first 40 or so years of civil aviation, there was no security and people did indeed bring their guns with them.


I'll say this much. You are one qualified veteran.


A doctor - a marine - a naval aviator - wow!

BTW, i believe you.
Thank you for your service.
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I believe your history lesson. However, 9/11 changed everything.


You can do a lot in quarter of a century.

Listen, 9/11 did change things, but it is not the first nor it is the last crisis we as a nation have or will experience. The current administration is indeed rife with Chicago style corrupt and leftist politics and therin lies the problem. When you permit government to exceed Constitutional restraints, it may seem all good when you have trusted and reasonable people in power, but it can go very wrong when an untrustworthy person inherits that power. For example, we (as a nation) were promised that the income tax would only be 1% on the highest earners and would only be in place until war debt was paid off. Foolishly, the American people took the politicians at their word and the government grew and expanded it every year until we have the out of control behemoth we see today. The best way to preserve a free society, is limited government that operates under Constitutional restraints.

As Washington said, government is at best a dangerous servant and at worse a fearful master.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


Come on doctor. - A shoot out on a civilian airliner at 30,000 feet? -

Give me a break.


Lets be reasonable. - One bullet hitting the window? -

Do you want to be the one flying out the window as the cabin depressurizes?


Before I went back to school, I was a Naval Aviator with about 2000 flight hours. In spite what the movies show you, a bullet hole would not cause explosive decompression. Besides, that was a bit of hyperbole, although, if one is law abiding to have a CCW, why not take it on an aircraft? Criminals and terrorists do not pass background checks. You do realize that for the first 40 or so years of civil aviation, there was no security and people did indeed bring their guns with them.


I'll say this much. You are one qualified veteran.


A doctor - a marine - a naval aviator - wow!

BTW, i believe you.
Thank you for your service.
----------
I believe your history lesson. However, 9/11 changed everything.


You can do a lot in quarter of a century.

Listen, 9/11 did change things, but it is not the first nor it is the last crisis we as a nation have or will experience. The current administration is indeed rife with Chicago style corrupt and leftist politics and therin lies the problem. When you permit government to exceed Constitutional restraints, it may seem all good when you have trusted and reasonable people in power, but it can go very wrong when an untrustworthy person inherits that power. For example, we (as a nation) were promised that the income tax would only be 1% on the highest earners and would only be in place until war debt was paid off. Foolishly, the American people took the politicians at their word and the government grew and expanded it every year until we have the out of control behemoth we see today. The best way to preserve a free society, is limited government that operates under Constitutional restraints.

As Washington said, government is at best a dangerous servant and at worse a fearful master.


Well, don't worry. Obama won't be taking away our firearms anytime soon.

He should be out of a job in a few months.

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I like your small government opinion.

You should join the Tea Party.
- Tea Party Mission - Limited Government



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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AAAhhhh you are using the 5 talking points against Romney from the DNC!!!!

Here's some of the FACTS:

Job growth in MA during his time as governor


In the 12 months before he took office, the state ranked 50th in job creation, and for his first 12 months in office, that remained 50th. But by his final year the state ranked 28th.


www.factcheck.org...

Just so everyone knows, this false info from this poster comes from thinkprogress.org and a political against Romney, it pays to fact check......


edit on 22-8-2012 by timetothink because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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In the four years before Romney took office, both the state and the nation lost a higher number of manufacturing jobs. The nation lost 2.6 million (a 14.7 percent drop) and Massachusetts lost 67,500 (a 16.7 percent drop). In the four years after Romney left office, the state lost 44,900 jobs (15 percent drop), while the nation did slightly worse — posting a 2.4 million job drop (17 percent decrease).

Widmer, of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, said the loss of manufacturing jobs under Romney was part of a long-term trend. Massachusetts is a high-cost state, he said. Everything from health care to energy costs more in Massachusetts. As a result, he said, it is expensive for manufacturing. “We’ve lost manufacturing jobs at a rate faster than the nation for probably 30 years,” Widmer said. One could argue that Romney didn’t do much to stem that slide, Widmer said, but he isn’t responsible for starting it.


www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obama-twists-romneys-economic-record/



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by xuenchen
 


No.
Paul Ryan supported TARP and supported making the patriot act permenant. So don't try to sell us this garbage.
We know all we need to know about Paul Ryan.


All adults realize that National Security trumps Civil Liberties.

The Patriot Act was created by Bush and - endorsed - by Obama.

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TARP - the big banks paid their money back with interest.

Wells Fargo never really wanted it in the first place.


Wow. Just wow. NOTHING trumps civil liberties.


"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."



Wow ! Just WOW !!! Walk into an airport and go face to face with a TSA Supervisor.

Go ahead and scream as loud as you can that - NOTHING !!!!!!! - trumps civil liberties.


They will take you away in handcuffs. Then you can mumble to yourself........

........Wow, Eurisko 2012 was right. What was i thinking ?


Yes, because a private industry is the same thing as public government
nice leap there.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Seek the truth: When you walk into an airport, -- National Security trumps Civil Liberties --.

Learn it, Love it , Live it



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


Come on doctor. - A shoot out on a civilian airliner at 30,000 feet? -

Give me a break.


Lets be reasonable. - One bullet hitting the window? -

Do you want to be the one flying out the window as the cabin depressurizes?


Before I went back to school, I was a Naval Aviator with about 2000 flight hours. In spite what the movies show you, a bullet hole would not cause explosive decompression. Besides, that was a bit of hyperbole, although, if one is law abiding to have a CCW, why not take it on an aircraft? Criminals and terrorists do not pass background checks. You do realize that for the first 40 or so years of civil aviation, there was no security and people did indeed bring their guns with them.


I'll say this much. You are one qualified veteran.


A doctor - a marine - a naval aviator - wow!

BTW, i believe you.
Thank you for your service.
----------
I believe your history lesson. However, 9/11 changed everything.


You can do a lot in quarter of a century.

Listen, 9/11 did change things, but it is not the first nor it is the last crisis we as a nation have or will experience. The current administration is indeed rife with Chicago style corrupt and leftist politics and therin lies the problem. When you permit government to exceed Constitutional restraints, it may seem all good when you have trusted and reasonable people in power, but it can go very wrong when an untrustworthy person inherits that power. For example, we (as a nation) were promised that the income tax would only be 1% on the highest earners and would only be in place until war debt was paid off. Foolishly, the American people took the politicians at their word and the government grew and expanded it every year until we have the out of control behemoth we see today. The best way to preserve a free society, is limited government that operates under Constitutional restraints.

As Washington said, government is at best a dangerous servant and at worse a fearful master.


Well, don't worry. Obama won't be taking away our firearms anytime soon.

He should be out of a job in a few months.

---------------
I like your small government opinion.

You should join the Tea Party.
- Tea Party Mission - Limited Government


I hope so. I'm afraid that the GOP has been shooting themselves in the foot recently, though.



As to your last suggestion...good enough? encteaparty.com...
edit on 22-8-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Seek the truth: When you walk into an airport, -- National Security trumps Civil Liberties --.

Learn it, Love it , Live it


Seek logic-you are comparing private industry to the public government. Apples to rocks.

But hey, whatever spin you need to put on it, right?



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Seek the truth: When you walk into an airport, -- National Security trumps Civil Liberties --.

Learn it, Love it , Live it


Seek logic-you are comparing private industry to the public government. Apples to rocks.

But hey, whatever spin you need to put on it, right?


I 'm simply comparing - national security to civil liberties -. That's it.

Desperate times breed desperate measures.

Bring on the Patriot Act.

When you walk into an airport, -- national security trumps civil liberties --.

Learn it, love it, live it

However, you have the Power of Free Will. -- Take the train or drive in your car. --



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Seek the truth: When you walk into an airport, -- National Security trumps Civil Liberties --.

Learn it, Love it , Live it


Seek logic-you are comparing private industry to the public government. Apples to rocks.

But hey, whatever spin you need to put on it, right?


I 'm simply comparing - national security to civil liberties -. That's it.

Desperate times breed desperate measures.

Bring on the Patriot Act.

When you walk into an airport, -- national security trumps civil liberties --.

Learn it, love it, live it

However, you have the Power of Free Will. -- Take the train or drive in your car. --


Do you truly not understand the difference between private corporations and government? Do you really not get that you CHOOSE to go through the TSA checks?



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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The GOP hit a Grand Slam Home Run in Florida!

Paul Ryan explaining his MediCare Fix while standing next to his own mother.





I think the GOP won Florida on the day they took this picture.


Paul Ryan looks like John Boy Walton. They trust him more than a 15 member

- Death Panel - in Washington DC. -- rationing --
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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Ryan went to Miami of Ohio with my wife and SIL. He is a decent, smart person. LOL, unlike the current POTUS, it is quite easy to find people who remember Ryan as an undergraduate classmate.



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