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reply posted on 13-10-2004 @ 12:31 PM by dbates
Originally posted by zi2525Now my question is, if the world was going to end and you turned to god and started praying for him to save your soul, what if you where only praying to him because you where scared of going to hell would he still let you in to heaven?


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In short, Yes. That's good enough. Since the New Testament seems to be a hanging point for some, you can
search the old testament and you will find hundreds of instances where we are told to fear God. If you obeyed you parents simply because of your fear of punishment, is that enough? If you work hard for fear of getting fired, is it enough? Yes, and yes. Ideally you should serve because you love God, but the former will work until you grow into the love part.

Still I think you are asking the wrong question. You assume you will have that chance. No one is promised to live until the end of the world. Even if you were given the date, ( say... Dec 2012 ) it would not come with the guarantee that you would have the opportunity at that time, or that you would live to see that day. Ideally and probably yes, but not for sure. If you are going to make that decision, then don't wait until the end of the world.


reply posted on 13-10-2004 @ 01:19 PM by Amadeus
Hi MWM 1331:

I think you are referring to the socalled RoofTop vision of "Peter" in the book of Acts?

The book of Acts was written allegedly by Luke, a travelling companion of Paul, or at any rate, a Paulinist in many ways...

Luke shares with Paul at least a tolerance for gentile goyim which "Jesus" never would have put up with.

And what was "Peter's" speech on the roof top? Do you remember?

"Lord, in MY WHOLE LIFE, I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT OF THE KOSHER DIET OR UNLCEAN"

which means that the disciples kept kosher while at least "Jesus" was alive.

This anti Jewish story-illustration (or rather, pro Gentile) is not necessarily "historical"--but was a made up story on the part of the author (Luke) or his source, and placed into the Book of Acts (after AD 90) to encourage goyim-Gentiles to join the Chrstian community--and not worry about Kosher food or circumcision or any of that "Jewish stuff" these Gentile lovers were making "Iesous" more universal than he really was---at a time, after all, that the Temple and Jerusalem was a pile of rubble and Jews were persona non grata throughout the empire (they lost the war and losers are never popular) so obeying the "torah of Moses" when the Book of Acts was written was a literal impossibility---as any modern day Rabinnic Jew will tell you...

A contradiction? Only between the Antiochan Nazoreans (torah abiders) who wrote Matthew's gospel and the freer-thinking goyim loving people who were ultimately responsible for the Book of Acts----hint: the books were written by two competing groups who followed different theologies...
which is why I use the term "Christianities"....in the plural...
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