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I agree completely. There's always a price. yet, I have a problem with all the "innocents" blather.
no country in history has done more bending over backwards to avoid collateral damage and been taken advantage of by the insurgents using the so-called innocents as protection.
Lets not forget there was plenty of Germans and Japanese living in the U.S. back in the day as well. Nothing new really..
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by RimDaas
You have to go back a lot further than that to find a flourishing middle east. From an scientific and cultural beacon, the whole region can now lay claim to Afgan rugs as it's sole valuable, manufactured export. Great job, Imams!!!
When you bring up popularity, you omit Iran and it's present course, also highly "unpopular". Both in Europe and among it's neighbours. You omit much in your arguments. As unpopular as Israel is, iran has managed to match it, or at least negate it by their own actions. If you don't see that well.....
Neither your view of it nor mine will change anything.
It will be interesting to see who gets spanked first, Israel or Iran?
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by milominderbinder
Of course, I'd be pissed. Which is utterly irrelevant. and my point. Right through the '67 war, Israel survived, even flourished without U.S. Materials. Now they've a well equipped military with nukes be it U.S. or South African in origin.
Can the "pissed' win? I doubt it. My comment on the "innocents" was just a comment, not directed at you per say.
I am no fan of Israel. I'm not an enemy of Israel either. They do more with what they have, more tenacious, creative,yes, deadly. I admire them.
I cannot solve every inequity that man has brought on himself. Nor do I think most are even solvable. I believe this is one of them. Let them "work it out", but without nuclear weapons. If that means outside interference in Iran then so be it. Unfair? Oh well....
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by RimDaas
What you say is true. There is some very nice countries in the region. Well developed. No argument from me on that.
I will point out that every one of those countries you mentioned work "with" the west, not against. No "saber rattling". No large military build-ups, as a rule.
Non-threatening to anyone to speak of, these countries seem to have an understanding of how to maximize their lot, economically.
A little better wealth distribution to their populations might be in order to insure no "revolution' reaches them as it has others.....
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by RimDaas
I haven't been in the area myself, but my understanding is it's a very small percentage of the populations living the high life, so to speak. I believe Saudi Arabia has something like a 30-40% unemployment rate with all the oil income ending up with the House of Saud and it's family members themselves.
Iran will get spanked first of course. But after that Israel will be in greater threat.
Originally posted by milominderbinder
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by RimDaas
What you say is true. There is some very nice countries in the region. Well developed. No argument from me on that.
I will point out that every one of those countries you mentioned work "with" the west, not against. No "saber rattling". No large military build-ups, as a rule.
Non-threatening to anyone to speak of, these countries seem to have an understanding of how to maximize their lot, economically.
A little better wealth distribution to their populations might be in order to insure no "revolution' reaches them as it has others.....
So...let me get this straight. Nations such as Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, and Libya (under Khaddaffi) already have free medical care, free college educations, and in some cases...interest-free state sponsored mortgages.
So...if they need BETTER wealth distribution...then you must be WAY to the left of Obama on our own domestic programs...right?
LOL.
First of all:
Abu Dhabi is not a country
Second of all:
I never mentioned Kuwait of Libya
The smaller countries, if you want to call them that, I have no idea and don't really care.
No, I'm not a socialist, But, if you are rich and your next door neighbour is broke and his family is starving, he's likely gonna try and get your food...or die trying. Might want to do something about it....
Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by milominderbinder
Huh? I just made a critical comment of the House of Saud and you somehow twist it into saying that I say they're sane??
The whole freeking bunch of them are insane. Looney tunes. Apparently it's catchy.