Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by milominderbinder
Of course, I'd be pissed. Which is utterly irrelevant. and my point. Right through the '67 war, Israel survived, even flourished without U.S.
Materials. Now they've a well equipped military with nukes be it U.S. or South African in origin.
Can the "pissed' win? I doubt it. My comment on the "innocents" was just a comment, not directed at you per say.
I am no fan of Israel. I'm not an enemy of Israel either. They do more with what they have, more tenacious, creative,yes, deadly. I admire them.
I cannot solve every inequity that man has brought on himself. Nor do I think most are even solvable. I believe this is one of them. Let them "work
it out", but without nuclear weapons. If that means outside interference in Iran then so be it. Unfair? Oh well....
So...how can we "let them work it out for themselves" and ALSO invade Iran for them? This is the root of the matter.
I'm all for "letting them work it out themselves" and adopting a laissez-faire foreign policy to the ENTIRE Middle East. If Israel wants to
continue unlawfully occupy foreign land...great...let them go nuts. But they will do so without ANY US money, arms, or intelligence support.
Likewise, if Iran wants nuclear weapons so they can be on even footing with Israel...great...no problem at all. We just make sure that everyone in
the Middle East knows that anyone who goes all nutty with their nukes faces US NUCLEAR retaliation.
Letting them "sort it out by themselves" runs 100% contradictory to all of our sanctions and sabre-rattling towards. Iran. Whether it's
"morally" right or wrong...I really don't care at all how many Jews, Muslims and Christians die while fighting over scraps of worthless desert land
whose only saving grace is that there is soon-to-be-obsolete oil underneath them.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case. The situation we currently have on the table is asking us to send more of our children into the meat grinder for
a war that we cannot possibly afford or win in order to prevent the historically unstoppable dissemination of technology. Talk about futile efforts.
Why don't we just go ahead and wage war on gravity or tidal currents? In the history of mankind there is not even so much as ONE single example
where one nation-state has been able to keep it's technology from disseminating to another nation-state in the long-run.
These efforts commonly succeed in the short-term such as for a few decades or during the course of an ongoing armed conflict...but the idea that in
the Information Age we can possibly keep an entire country from developing nuclear technology, whether for power or weaponry is absolutely idiotic.
Nuclear fission electrical plants have been around since BEFORE pocket calculators and television became ubiquitous.
To give you an idea of how truly foolish the premise of this is, check out the following website.
If you click on the "Fusioneers" hyperlink in the 1st paragraph you will get a listing of all the people who have built nuclear FUSION reactors IN
THEIR BASEMENTS. In fact...here is a list of the HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS who have done so.
Michael Li - winner $75k Intel scholarship (fusor), 2003
Craig Wallace - winner $1.5k Intel 2nd place (Fusor)
Adam Parker - winner of $10k Alabama scholarship in science
Thiago Olson - beautiful project, passed muster with state inspectors
Taylor Wilson - Youngest fusioneer - 14 years old.
Ben Bartlett- Also young 14 year old. Ben attended ISEF 2009
Chad Ramey – Student of Promise Award. Grand Award Georgia State
Engineering and Science fair...Beat out over 600 other exhibits.
Will Jack - science fair winner with fusor
....so in an age where minors are fusing deuterium in devices often constructed for less than $5,000 of parts from science supply and hardware stores
with minimal permitting and background checks...isn't it kind of ridiculous to get so worked up over Iran's clunky, inefficient, and obsolete
nuclear fission technology?
Do we REALLY want to listen to Israel and get into YET ANOTHER war over this?
It's beyond dumb. What are we going to do when Iran gets up to the technological proficiency of our H.S. students which would allow them to build a
much more powerful H-bomb? Take away all their hydrogen atoms? Put an embargo on Blu-Ray players so the lasers can't be repurposed? Confiscate all
of their plumbing supplies in their hardware stores? Send UN inspectors in to seize vacuum pumps and air compressors? Take their magnets away?
It's just plain dumb.