reply to post by InTheLight
It was not sarcasm, but rather a conclusion in my mind. Your theory is delivered well, however, you did not address the issue of sinning
as being something which we do naturally. As for the topic of this discussion, Hell, if we are to believe that all sinners go to Hell, then what
conclusion am I to draw?
No, I don't address the "issue of sinning". Just for simplicity I am posting your earlier comment here.
me make some sense of this. God made us as we are, complete with ego, sexual desire for reproduction or otherwise, and with a will of our own, which,
if we do what is natural and God-given, we then sin.
To start, I don't subscribe to the use of the term "sinning". I may be alone in thinking
the phrase "sin causes death" would mean something leading to a complete break from God. We were all dead in our sins, says Paul, but we have been
reconciled to God through Jesus. This creates an environment where we can lead lives not of sin but to life. This does not mean we cease to be able to
fail in keeping to the standards we know is expected of a righteous like, but the connection is unbroken despite those failings and it is a back and
forth line of communication that flows through the spirit.
As for "natural", that is like the wild beast running amuck, so to speak, which is a way to visualize how the universe was created among a tremendous
force to do the otherwise impossible to take inert mass and put it into motion to be like a living organism within which we exist as bodily
participants. The total sum of what we are is not the physical which creates that interaction with the material world.
It is not especially the fault of anyone in particular that the universe is this harsh and unfeeling thing that does not take note of our passing.
This is my way of coming to terms with the undeniable reality and how it (usually) falls in the lap of God as who is to blame, which is to go back to
the base of philosophy which is integral with religion but a sort of pre-religion knowledge, that as the universe was forming, the collective broke up
and dispersed into it, to where there was no longer this thing that was the thought in the void, so what was started became what could not be stopped,
and it is a sort of law unto itself that individuals have to take into consideration and to work around and to make accommodation for. According to
the ancients, that includes the God's themselves who know not to beat their heads against what is just the way things are.
The general solution is to bide time until things gradually improve, including nature itself even to the point of how the things of nature are
composed to a sub-atomic level. Meanwhile we are ourselves made up of basically an inferior material which is susceptible to the wayward way of the
world and not just this planet but the entire creation.
So what represents itself as nature incarnate lays claim to our souls and is like a magnet which draws us to be captured into the belly of the beast,
in way of describing it, owning us it thinks due to our physical aspect that makes us a part of it. Now this is where what we all God for lack of a
better term, comes in to offset that thing we can call Satan which is the adversary to human life, to free us from that dread of the inevitable in
current circumstances. Those individuals who had abstained from the pleasures of mortal existence and stayed in another form not dependent on the
physical, who can be the shepherd of souls through the valley of darkness, to use a biblical term.
This really isn't an answer and I think it is something people have to came to terms with but for myself, I am aware as a lot of people who have gone
through NDE's that death is something very real and that there is a place that people go, though I am very suspicious of the majority of accounts
where everything is light and you have an enjoyable time or something. I think it is better described as a sort of Hades type place that is not
especially nice but seems "natural" but nature as the enemy and something that needs to be overcome by the intervention of God.
edit on 19-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19