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If you are a poet, you will see clearly that there is a cloud floating in this sheet of paper. Without a cloud, there will be no rain; without rain, the trees cannot grow; and without trees, we cannot make paper. The cloud is essential for the paper to exist. If the cloud is not here, the sheet of paper cannot be here either. So we can say that the cloud and the paper inter-are. “Interbeing” is a word that is not in the dictionary yet, but if we combine the prefix “inter-” with the verb “to be,” we ha vea new verb, inter-be. Without a cloud and the sheet of paper inter-are.
If we look into this sheet of paper even more deeply, we can see the sunshine in it. If the sunshine is not there, the forest cannot grow. In fact, nothing can grow. Even we cannot grow without sunshine. And so, we know that the sunshine is also in this sheet of paper. The paper and the sunshine inter-are. And if we continue to look, we can see the logger who cut the tree and brought it to the mill to be transformed into paper. And wesee the wheat. We now the logger cannot exist without his daily bread, and therefore the wheat that became his bread is also in this sheet of paper. And the logger’s father and mother are in it too. When we look in this way, we see that without all of these things, this sheet of paper cannot exist.
Looking even more deeply, we can see we are in it too. This is not difficult to see, because when we look at a sheet of paper, the sheet of paper is part of our perception. Your mind is in here and mine is also. So we can say that everything is in here with this sheet of paper. You cannot point out one thing that is not here-time, space, the earth, the rain, the minerals in the soil, the sunshine, the cloud, the river, the heat. Everything co-exists with this sheet of paper. That is why I think the word inter-be should be in the dictionary. “To be” is to inter-be. You cannot just be by yourself alone. You have to inter-be with every other thing. This sheet of paper is, because everything else is.
Suppose we try to return one of the elements to its source. Suppose we return the sunshine to the sun. Do you think that this sheet of paper will be possible? No, without sunshine nothing can be. And if we return the logger to his mother, then we have no sheet of paper either. The fact is that this sheet of paper is made up only of “non-paper elements.” And if we return these non-paper elements to their sources, then there can be no paper at all. Without “non-paper elements,” like mind, logger, sunshine and so on, there will be no paper. As thin as this sheet of paper is, it contains everything in the universe in it.
Originally posted by wildtimes
I'm starting this on the coattails of the excellent thread regarding Buddhism www.abovetopsecret.com... that is now active, and hope that those of you with interest in the Eastern thought will find something to "grab hold of" to help you understand the differences between Western (Abrahamic) and Eastern (New Age) theology and philosophy.
Enjoy. I will look forward to your thoughts (if any), when I return to my computer. For now I'm going out for my daily "meditation" in the "garden" of my backyard, to contemplate the perfect completeness and sublime beauty of that which is right now, my life.
Namaste
Abrahamic is considered Eastern also. Abrahamic is Semitic. Western thought stems from Roman and Greek philosophy.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by WarminIndy
Abrahamic is considered Eastern also. Abrahamic is Semitic. Western thought stems from Roman and Greek philosophy.
And yet, the "Christian" religions are an offshoot....and cover the entire Western world.....
I agree, Roman and Greek philosophy is a very important source for what is "modern" thinking.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by WarminIndy
Maybe I should have said "Occidental" v "Oriental", like Alan Watts did.
In my humble opinion and experience - interconnectedness and individuality are not mutually exclusive.
Either way, here is a preview to a movie about this very topic, the interconnectedness of all mankind, through time - past present and future, every decision you make not only impacts you, but also the future - present - past.
Death - Life - Birth.
A story that transcends time - and involves re-incarnation i believe.
Since when was Thich Nhat Hanh taoist?
He is Buddhist.
Big fail on this thread.
Tao is a metaphysical concept originating with Laozi that gave rise to a religion (Wade–Giles, Tao Chiao; Pinyin, Daojiao) and philosophy (Wade–Giles, Tao chia; Pinyin, Daojia) referred to in English with the single term Taoism. The concept of Tao was later adopted in Confucianism, Chán and Zen Buddhism and more broadly throughout East Asian philosophy and religion in general.
In Taoism, Chinese Buddhism and Confucianism, the object of spiritual practice is to 'become one with the tao' (Tao Te Ching) or to harmonise one's will with Nature (cf. Stoicism) in order to achieve 'effortless action' (Wu wei). This involves meditative and moral practices. Important in this respect is the Taoist concept of De (德; virtue).
Originally posted by wildtimes
You don't realize that Taoism is a form of Buddhism?
Its not a form of Buddhism.
And Thich Nhat Hanh is well known, so its like calling the pope jewish.
The concept of Tao was later adopted in Confucianism, Chán and Zen Buddhism and more broadly throughout East Asian philosophy and religion in general. Within these contexts Tao signifies the primordial essence or fundamental nature of the universe. In the foundational text of Taoism, the Tao Te Ching, Laozi explains that Tao is not a 'name' for a 'thing' but the underlying natural order of the universe whose ultimate essence is difficult to circumscribe.
Originally posted by wildtimes
He is a Buddhist; therefore, he is a Taoist thinker.