Its the same here, once they get you into the system its impossible to get out, they will fine you and suspend your drivers liscense... which means you cant get to work in this county... your not even allow to ride a bike.

I've seen it over and over again.

Originally posted by Kangaruex4Ewe

Originally posted by elrem48

Originally posted by Kangaruex4Ewe

Originally posted by AdamOver
Isn't it time you guys told the Goverment to get the F*** out of your lives. ? Surely this would be laughed out of court if she refused to pay. On the grounds of it being downright ridiculous.

I wish it was that easy. And it's hard to tell these days if it will hold up in court or not. Most folks that have the money probably don't bother fighting it and just pay. I think they like that a lot when it happens. I hope this does go to court and embarrasses the hell out of the ticket givers on a national stage.

Honestly, would anyone in their right mind pay this fine even if they had the money? This is the worst kind of extortion I've heard of! It's just WRONG, WRONG WRONG! What message do we send when we give into this drivel?

You don't have an option not to pay where I am from.You don't pay a fine here you could wind up in county jail, garnished wages, personal property confiscations, or liens placed against your home. I am not sure what the law is in this woman's area though. I assume it is similar or most folks would not pay any fines at all.

It is wrong. But in my best German accent "They have ways of making you pay". As lighthearted as I type that it is a hard truth for many. Those who really can't afford to pay...wind up having to pay so much more in the end for not paying it on time. It's a lose/lose for the regular folks.

Forgive me, but I would fight "tooth and nail" as they say, because this is utterly ridiculous if this fine is truely for hosting a birthday party. This is not the America I grew up in...somewhere along the way, we inadvertently allowed this deception of the American people to take place. I interpret what you say as a surrender to a preposterous government law made by ruthless hypocrites who would never except the same mandate that they nonchalantly impose on others. No, I would not give in without a struggle!

Well, I'm not quite sure what part of the t&c's I violated there. Maybe someone who saw it before it was removed can tell me.

Back on topic. If these things are widespread. Isn't it already too late for most of you there. Maybe time to jump ship.

But its also completely illegal Of course you can. So no one in their right mind would pay, in fact, they would be chewing up the line of the idiots, showing up personally letting them know that they were going to be in such crapola, and then passing the hat, (if the people didn't sit and shut up and offer an apology) for a PI to dig up such dirt on them they would be ruined. No people put up with crapola like this, ever. Its not done.

My first reaction would be this was a computer error and then the brown stuff would hit the fan in their offices because I would never allow such corrupt idiots to hold positions of authority. It would be solved quite quickly. I have no idea why you guys don't speak up.

There are many faces of Oppression. What usually comes to mind is firing squads (in formal government uniforms) or machete goons (in informal street clothes). Oppression also comes in the form of not being able to rely on any of your rights when face-to-face with a police officer loaded with weapons outside your car door or a government official ready with fines and fees behind a desk. Most of our experiences with government are unpleasantly confrontational, where we as individuals are powerless.

I am shocked. What can we do to help Martha?

Amazing.

I think what they are trying to do is suppress the people to the point people are afraid of their nieghbors so much that they stay in their homes, use the computer to make purchases and be completely antisocial.

We see the narative on the tv, the complete division the mainstream media and the government push's upon us.
They divide us on Politics, Religion, Race, Sex, Class,... They are acting in a "show" and are just hoping we don't get out of our seats. They have kept us there so long we think its where we belong. But once we start ignoring the show and talking to our neighbors.. spending time with our friends we begin to talk and discuss what "they" are doing and how the show sucks.

They are afraid of what these gatherings will turn into. They are afraid of us standing together as people and friends, treating everyone decent.

Ok, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here .... if this woman was charging money to hold events, then this is considered a business, and all business require licenses. You can be against licenses in general for all businesses, but don't claim that this farmer is special and doesn't have to have licenses for her business. There are many different kinds of licenses, and some businesses have to have multiple licenses. For example, a restaurant may have to have a license to sell their food, and a separate license to sell alcohol.

I agree that licensing has gotten a little out of control, but there WAS a good reason for them initially. Originally, a license was a way to monitor the practices of a business and make sure they were operating in a way that wasn't going to hurt or take advantage of consumers/customers. It wasn't just about paying money for a license, it was also having to show you were following proper protocol before being able to get the license.

reminds me of the story of the kids who got arrested (in michigan,i think) for running a lemon - aid stand!!!
the govt is going after the little guys to control them,but big business is free to do whatever it wants.
oh wait,i forgot for a moment.
big business IS the govt!!!
good luck to martha with her case!
peace

If beurocrats have the time to scour Facebook looking for events and cross-referencing permit applications just to fine people the we have too many beurocrats.

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Yeah I had a IRS agent call me once... they never called me back again after I ripped them a new one, stand up and show no fear and they back off...

Id even go as far as to send them a birthday cake with, here's your five grand written on it.

People should just stop volunteering information on Facebook or any other forms of social media. Does this lady do not understand that she willingly gave the .gov ammunition to come after her?

I still for the life of me do not comprehend why people put their whole lives online, specially under their real names.

No facebook = no $5,000 fine in this case.

On a side note, my son has a female cousin who is 13 years old who willingly CLOSED her facebook account. I asked her why and she replied: "I don't like the .gov CREEPS all up in my business"