Plane Crash Video from Inside Cockpit

reply to post by Ben81

are you telling me im wrong ?

You were wrong.

he should have know better to try getting high or risking a crash and lifes

He was trying to get higher. He couldn't because the plane was too heavy.

i dont think they were overweight
the pilot was flying way to low and didnt even try to go up
then he caught a empty air pocket while flying near the tree tops

The plane was too heavy.
The pilot was trying to gain altitude.
There is no such thing as an "empty air pocket"

but the main mistake the pilot did was not going up

He could not "go up" because the plane was too heavy.

i dont believe he was to heavy to fly higher

The plane was too heavy

conclusion : the weight was not an issue here

The plane was too heavy

With that many electronics, somehow I'm not surprised. Even the yoke had an ipad.

reply to post by Phage


Ok Lets go step by step
Small planes like that CANNOT carry more then 800 pounds (i checked that fact)
including passenger and equipment/materials etc

but i agree with you that in certain area where the density and the altitude is high
the limits or weight should be lowered to at least 600 pounds

so yes he was overweight for that particular area he was in
but he was under the 800 pounds limits around 700

reply to post by Ben81

So in other words....
The plane was overweight.
The pilot was trying to gain altitude but could not because he was overweight.
There was no downdraft.
There was no airpocket.

I'm glad you finally understand what happened but it was explained several times.

Originally posted by Sek82----->Even the yoke had an ipad.

We use them too on our older B737's for checklists, charts and procedures.

Our newer airplanes have Electronic Flightbag for that purpose.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Ben81

 

So in other words....
The plane was overweight.
The pilot was trying to gain altitude but could not because he was overweight.
There was no downdraft.
There was no airpocket.

I'm glad you finally understand what happened but it was explained several times.

We were both right in a way

has for the air pocket

After taking off we hit an air pocket that made us rapidly loose altitude, pushing us down into the trees.

I didnt say anything about that .. but one of the passenger did

he also say they had problem to gain altitude
when they know never to surcharge in weight or risk a crash
the limits of 800 pounds was respected because it is a strick regulation
that all pilots should know and respect to the letter

reply to post by Ben81

has for the air pocket

I didnt say anything about that .. but one of the passenger did

Here is what you said:

i dont think they were overweight
the pilot was flying way to low and didnt even try to go up
then he caught a empty air pocket while flying near the tree tops

the limits of 800 pounds was respected because it is a strick regulation
that all pilots should know and respect to the letter

800 pounds is not a regulation. Maximum takeoff weight depends on density altitude. The higher the density altitude the lower the maximum takeoff weight. The plane was overweight. The pilot should have been aware of it.

We were both right in a way

No. You were wrong.

Originally posted by Ben81--------->air pocket

There's no such thing as an air pocket.

Downdrafts, windshear, mountain rotors, microbursts yes, airpockets no.

reply to post by Phage


Maybe i was a bit wrong at the start for some detail
curse me now if i say otherwise .. i have no ego to build
i just want to know what really happen . and who was at fault
you know me .. i want only the truth

First why do you think he was overweight ?
there is no account that he was from the op external content
he did say they have hit a air pocket making them go crash in the trees

if im wrong on the weight
then you are also wrong on the air pocket

Phage the "fight" is over .. its a draw
or you have some counter new evidences or the official incident report investigation

Originally posted by Ivar_Karlsen

Originally posted by Ben81--------->air pocket

There's no such thing as an air pocket.

Downdrafts, windshear, mountain rotors, microbursts yes, airpockets no.

edit on 10-8-2012 by Ivar_Karlsen because: (no reason given)

The external content say it was an air pocket
my first language is Canadian French not english
the word "air pocket" is okay for me .. i have heard it before

how many synonyme we have for that term ?
probably a lot

To the people that keep saying there is no such thing as an "Air Poicket", there is. It is a commonly accepted term to describe several different weather phenomena...

en.wikipedia.org...
www.thefreedictionary.com...

Air Pocket is an accepted aviation term, so quit saying they are made up or don't exist...

dictionary.babylon.com...

Originally posted by Ben81--->
The external content say it was an air pocket

As an airline captain i'm telling you it wasn't, it's misleading and wrong.

the word "air pocket" is okay for me

Well it's not ok for me, because in this case they were too heavy to fly.

Originally posted by AngryAlien----->Air Pocket is an accepted aviation term

No it's not, and haven't been for the 39 years that i've been a pilot.

Originally posted by AngryAlien--->Air Pocket is an accepted aviation term, so quit saying they are made up or don't exist...

dictionary.babylon.com...

Definition of Air pocket: small bubble of air, gas bubble

Swamp gas anyone?

reply to post by AngryAlien

Air Pocket is an accepted aviation term

Accepted in lieu of "pilot error".

Originally posted by Ivar_Karlsen

Originally posted by Ben81--->
The external content say it was an air pocket

As an airline captain i'm telling you it wasn't, it's misleading and wrong.

Captain Sir !
Always wanted to be a pilot .. you have a great job .. the best
was my first dream when i was young and still is

What is the correct term then for "air pocket" ? .. "air bubble" ?
im not really fussy with words .. we french canadian always mix anyword we can
the external content was maybe written by one to say "air pocket"

the word "air pocket" is okay for me

Well it's not ok for me, because in this case they were too heavy to fly.

Then you must know what are the limit weight for a small airplane like that ? 800 pounds ?
including the passengers and materials

Originally posted by AngryAlien
To the people that keep saying there is no such thing as an "Air Poicket", there is. It is a commonly accepted term to describe several different weather phenomena...

en.wikipedia.org...
www.thefreedictionary.com...

Air Pocket is an accepted aviation term, so quit saying they are made up or don't exist...

dictionary.babylon.com...

ah i knew that
thanks for the confirmation

Originally posted by Ivar_Karlsen

Originally posted by AngryAlien----->Air Pocket is an accepted aviation term

No it's not, and haven't been for the 39 years that i've been a pilot.

Maybe in America
but in Canada i have heard the term before