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"Right-wing extremist terrorism as deadly a threat as al Qaeda?"

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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This is a CNN article written by Peter Bergen (a national security analysis). It's a bit alarming even to me and I'm pretty sure this is talking about a few members here:


Militants linked to al Qaeda or inspired by jihadist ideology have carried out four terrorist attacks in the United States since September 11, which have resulted in 17 deaths. Thirteen of them were in a shooting incident at Fort Hood, Texas, in November 2009. By contrast, right-wing extremists have committed at least eight lethal terrorist attacks in the United States that have resulted in the deaths of nine people since 9/11, according to data compiled by the New America Foundation.


Wow... that's quite the language there...


A particular concern for law enforcement is the Sovereign Citizens movement, whose adherents reject all U.S. laws as well as taxation and American currency. An FBI report published in 2011 said "lone-offender sovereign-citizen extremists have killed six law enforcement officers" since 2000.


Now I've always felt a bit nervous about the bubba-effect guys when they start talking all big and overthrowy but this is a bit of an attack on a much broader scope of people. Many of whom would never think of hurting an innocent.

I just wanted to shine a light on the perspective people are gaining on this type of demographic of Americans. I only defend the people they are talking about because someday they'll probably start labeling "pinko commie liberals" as terrorists. Wait, nevermind, we already went through that phase.

So, ATS... is this a dangerous sentiment? Source




posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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There are extremists in almost every group ..

Religious extremism knows no particular sect.. it's just the most common form .. whether it be muslim or christian .. (I don't know many Buddhist extremists though.. )there's left and right wing extremism out there as well .. whether there's a rise in right wing "extremism" is something I'd want to dig more into .. it could be a rise in christian extremism .. I mean I don't have the data but it does seem most right wing people are religious .. so it could be just because theirs a larger number of christians who are right wing rather than it being about the fact they are right wing.

Christian extremism is a very real thing..a rise in christian extremism wouldn't surprise me since most of the wars the US is involved in right now deal with muslim countries after 911.. this causes religious tensions to rise on both sides..

Edited to make the last sentence in the first paragraph clearer...
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Yesterday, when they starting referring to the Sikh Temple incident as "domestic terrorism" I said to my family members that it won't be long before they start comparing stuff like this to al Qaeda.

I was giving it more than 24 hours though.

I suspect that it won't be long before Marshal Law is declared. I fully expect it to be in effect as of October 1st, if not sooner. Our military is preparing for it, this I know as a FACT, and there is at least one Reserve unit that is not National Guard that was informed in July that they would be put on "Emergency Ready/Stateside Deploy-able" status as of October 1.

From my point of view, from what I have seen and heard from reliable sources it is no longer a matter of if,but a matter of when.
edit on 8/7/2012 by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh because: correct punctuation



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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I'll say this... If the Aryan Nations and affiliate groups represent the Right Wing, then Shabazz and his Militancy with all the 'cracker' and 'kill whitie' nonsense represents the Left Wing. ALL OF THE LEFT. Everyone comfortable with that? I hope so....because the absurdity of saying the New Black Panther Party represents the Left Wing IS the same level of absurd as saying THAT hateful little rodent represented the Right.


Wow.. I knew I should be suspicious when the CNN story started by openly conceding the Ft Hood and other incidents were Jihadis in acts of domestic attack.

S/F on catching it tho!
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
Yesterday, when they starting referring to the Sikh Temple incident as "domestic terrorism" I said to my family members that it won't be long before they start comparing stuff like this to al Qaeda.

I was giving it more than 24 hours though.

I suspect that it won't be long before Marshal Law is declared. I fully expect it to be in effect as of October 1st, if not sooner. Our military is preparing for it, this I know as a FACT, and there is at least one Reserve unit that is not National Guard that was informed in July that they would be put on "Emergency Ready/Stateside Deploy-able" status as of October 1.

From my point of view, from what I have seen and heard from reliable sources it is no longer a matter of if, ,but a matter of when/


I don't think our military would actively enforce this though.. those men and women in uniform are our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers.. our neighbors and our friends.. the worst thing the government could possibly do would be to ask them to turn on their own people.. that would trigger a massive problem for the government.. so I don't see that happening .. at ALL .. I also don't think the president would ever declare martial law unless there were rioting in the streets because it would inflame too many militia groups and "red blooded, gun toting americans" who are already angry at uncle sam.. in other words, it would light the fuse of a big powder keg.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Well, going by their "statistics", the modern american family are the greatest terrorists of all. Most murderers kill family members. I guess it's time we lock up all families in the U.S.A.

CJ



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I'll say this... If the Aryan Nations and affiliate groups represent the Right Wing, then Shabazz and his Militancy with all the 'cracker' and 'kill whitie' nonsense represents the Left Wing. ALL OF THE LEFT. Everyone comfortable with that? I hope so....because the absurdity of saying the New Black Panther Party represents the Left Wing IS the same level of absurd as saying THAT hateful little rodent represented the Right.


Wow.. I knew I should be suspicious when the CNN story started by openly conceding the Ft Hood and other incidents were Jihadis in acts of domestic attack.

S/F on catching it tho!
edit on 7-8-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)


Great comparison. That's what is bothering me about it. I don't want hate groups like the New Black Panthers representing the left which is why I won't go calling crazy zealot nuts "right wing" just because they are religious. That's the implication that bothers me. It's like they are calling them "right wing" just because they are anit-government or extremely religious.

To me, it's seriously one of those cases where I'm gonna defend folks I don't like because I can see it happening to anybody. Red Scare, anybody? You would think that most of us lefties would see through this crap.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by bjax9er
just so that everyone is aware,

nazi's, otherwise known as fascists, comes from the left wing.


That's the Nazi party though of the 30s and 40s... the neo-nazi movement doesn't seem to be very aware of that.. most of them tend to be in it just because they are white supremacists by night and riding around in pickup trucks by day with rebel flags.. Many of them don't care about the government and I'm pretty sure less about socialism .. I don't seem them as a "lets share the wealth" movement ..



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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My biggest fear is this .... after 9/11, people who wore turbans and/or looked middle eastern became targets of vioelence in the US after 9/11 .. many innocent people hurt or killed..

I'm a shaved guy with pale skin.. as nice as can be, would help anyone.. I have tattoos ( mostly kanji ) .. Makes me wonder if I'm going to have to start watching my back because someone assumes I'm a white supremacist .. I should probably start dressing in business suits and wearing glasses..



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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yes, but the nazi's murdered minorities by the millions, much like the neo-nazi's of today wish for.

and, socialism is for the people, not the socialists.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by miniatus
My biggest fear is this .... after 9/11, people who wore turbans and/or looked middle eastern became targets of vioelence in the US after 9/11 .. many innocent people hurt or killed..

I'm a shaved guy with pale skin.. as nice as can be, would help anyone.. I have tattoos ( mostly kanji ) .. Makes me wonder if I'm going to have to start watching my back because someone assumes I'm a white supremacist .. I should probably start dressing in business suits and wearing glasses..


Wow... that's a valid concern and something I've never thought about.

I think if you have Kanji tattoos, a hat will be enough.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Great points!

I think it's important as well to note that we both feel the same way. Your over there on the left...and I'm over here on the right side. (politically speaking, of course.
) Seriously though, it is something notable that people on both sides are in agreement that hate groups just looking to hurt people or worse have no place inside the political realm to either end.

Whatever HE thought he was, I'm fairly confident neither side would have wanted to claim him for anything outside his own very narrow set of ,,, like minded ... people. I've certainly never met a closet neo-nazi. They tend to kinda bust right through the closet door and on into the rest of the house to cause mayhem.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by bjax9er
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yes, but the nazi's murdered minorities by the millions, much like the neo-nazi's of today wish for.

and, socialism is for the people, not the socialists.


Understandable.. and I agree.. I think that part of the Nazi agenda has more to do with the motivation of the neo-nazi's of today than socialism or being left wing.. they believe in a master race.. not about social services and sharing of wealth.. most of them tend to be anti-government .. you might say they are more akin to racist anarchists than anything.. either way they aren't much like the Nazi party of the 30s or 40s... and neither are at all good.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
No one should be surprised about this. The GOP has made it acceptable to be hate.

Hate muslims, hate homosexuals, hate "socialists", hate Obama, hate "illegals", hate "lazy welfare queens"....all acceptable and encouraged by the Right Wing and the GOP.

And even those on the Right Wing that don't openly hate any of these groups...they still support the Right and the GOP...so they are just as guilty.


And yes...I do believe ATS has it's fair share of future domestic terrorists...some even talk about their fantasies openly here.


are you insane? sounds like you HATE.

i would say most of the conservatives hate the GOP establishment the same as you.

the rest of them (republicans) don't know any better.

except conservatives and republicans alike will not vote for socialism.

nor will they vote to allow tyrants to steal their property.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
No one should be surprised about this. The GOP has made it acceptable to be hateful.

Hate muslims, hate homosexuals, hate "socialists", hate Obama, hate "illegals", hate "lazy welfare queens"....all acceptable and encouraged by the Right Wing and the GOP.

And even those on the Right Wing that don't openly hate any of these groups...they still support the Right and the GOP...so they are just as guilty.


And yes...I do believe ATS has it's fair share of future domestic terrorists...some even talk about their fantasies openly here.
edit on 7-8-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)


Do you really think that it's the GOP that created this behavior just because it's it has a lot of religious members? Just because a violent person is drawn to an ideology, doesn't mean that ideology made him violent. Correlation vs Causation and all that jazz.

Believe me, when I'm in a bar talking to my friends, I'll jokingly say stuff like what you said but I'll never stand for profiling. Like another on here said, this kind of official recognition of it could make it every bit as unethical as the way we treated Muslims after 9/11 or the Japanese after Pearl Harbor.

Remember, the left were attacked for being commies not too long ago and that wasn't cool either.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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I could care less who or what " They " are. My concern is with the government labeling crimes , formerly outlined in criminal Code as acts of " Terror ' Terrorists or my favorite DOMESTIC TERRORISM " Slippery slippery slope.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
No one should be surprised about this. The GOP has made it acceptable to be hateful.

Hate muslims, hate homosexuals, hate "socialists", hate Obama, hate "illegals", hate "lazy welfare queens"....all acceptable and encouraged by the Right Wing and the GOP.


Hey! that's not fair! I hate only half of those groups; socialists, Obama & the LAZY welfare queens. No problems with the rest. You stereotype too much.


And even those on the Right Wing that don't openly hate any of these groups...they still support the Right and the GOP...so they are just as guilty.


Then again, i can't claim to be a member of the GOP nor do i support them. Maybe your stereotype is ok then...


And yes...I do believe ATS has it's fair share of future domestic terrorists...some even talk about their fantasies openly here.


WHEN the collectivist gestapo goon-squad traitors come to strip me of my rights, then yes, they will count me as a "domestic terrorist" as i will fight back.

Enjoy your servitude!

But, back to the OP, yes, this is what the alternative news has been shouting for over a decade. All these unconstitutional laws (PATRIOT Acts, NDAA, FISA, etc) were promoted to fight Al-CIA-da, but would be turned inward to fight the very citizens of this country. The MIAC report & several others leaked have been increasingly beating the drum that our new terrorist allies are not the threat. The Constitutionalists are...or will be once they stage enough false flags to drop the hammer on us, once the Cloward-Piven model & ever-increasing collectivism has demolished the USofA & all the other angles the foreign hijackers plans are in full effect. This is what is happening now. AJ & many others have been telling us this for many many years. Why are we so surprised that it is now happening?

Yes, when it gets bad enough the Patriots will rise & reclaim their country. The foreign hijackers of the country will of course shout "Insurrection!" "Rebellion!" "Domestic Terrorists!" as they try to maintain power & continue to drive the USofA into the cesspool of collectivism. Martial Law, militarized police, active military all fighting the people they swore to protect, heeding their masters who sit behind walls, off shore & watch it all unfold. It all has been foretold in their own writings, relayed to us by the alternative news.

I'll stop rambling as i'm getting tired & am repeating myself. This is all stuff that has been discussed on this board over the years, yet people seem so surprised to see it unfold... just odd.



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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by dazbog
I could care less who or what " They " are. My concern is with the government labeling crimes , formerly outlined in criminal Code as acts of " Terror ' Terrorists or my favorite DOMESTIC TERRORISM " Slippery slippery slope.


Yeah... the hazy definition of "terrorism" always bothered me, too. Would Charles Manson be considered a "terrorist" by today's media? What about the people who carved a nation out of the North American native flesh? Why don't we call those guys terrorists?

It's a classification that gets laws attached to it and, since there is an evolving definition for the word, they can create legislation that will suit their needs in the future. Brilliant.




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