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I've also heard "there are no stupid questions..."
But that isn't true, I've heard some utterly moronic ones before.
Originally posted by Akragon
Mat 23
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
VS.
Romans 4:1
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Do you think that Jesus was banning the use of the word "father"? Or was he talking about the concept of God, and how no one should apply the notion of God to any man?
Originally posted by Akragon
Heres an interesting clip i found from some Christian blog site...
Trinitarians strip the Glory of the Father which only belongs to Jesus and give or ascribe that Glory to another person called the Father the unknowable God. In their ignorance they do not understand that Jesus is the Father in the flesh and the title 'FATHER' belongs to Jesus Christ alone. He is the Father of all creation and the Father of His children, to those who are born again by His Spirit, the Spirit of God.
Faith Groups that Reject the Trinity
• Muslims
• Mormons
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Christian Science
• Scientology
• Satanism
• Arians
• Armstrongism
• Christadelphians
• The Way International
• Unification Church
Originally posted by Murgatroid
One of the BIGGEST clues about the trinity is to take a look at WHO attacks it and WHY:
Cults and false religions are the majority of those who back the anti-Trinity Doctrine.
That ought to tell you something because ALL of these groups were created by the same group of people and for the same purpose. To HIDE the truth.
Faith Groups that Reject the Trinity
• Muslims
• Mormons
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Christian Science
• Scientology
• Satanism
• Arians
• Armstrongism
• Christadelphians
• The Way International
• Unification Church
Originally posted by Murgatroid
www.jesusfamilies.org...
Twisted doctrines? jesusfamilies.org is nothing BUT twisted doctrines...
This link source seems to be from some type of cult that also teaches against the Trinity.
Well, there's no support for that claim in scripture and it especially makes no sense in those instances where Jesus is interacting with God the Father. On the other hand, that's not a "Christian blog site", as they are clearly anti-Trinitarians, which makes them something other than Christians.
So, I have to ask -- why all the hating on Paul? It seems rather clear that you just don't like him and you're digging for reasons not to, but why not just say that, as an early church founder, he wasn't Christ, but wrote about him in a manner that was consistent with him?
What is in your beliefs that is in conflict with Paul, but not Christ, even though Paul is not in conflict with Christ?
"Please be aware of the anti-Paul movement, it was set up by the foe (today's Edomites) to fordo (destroy) the Israel Insight.
This movement twists what Paul says in order to make him look like a huckster but who are the hucksters in this world? The Jewish Encyclopedia and other jewish writings makes makes it clear that one of the greatest of the foes for Judaism is Paul. The jews spew hatred upon Paul.
“Needless to say, observant Jews objected to Paul, ... whom they saw as the worst kind of heretic. Indeed, because of Jewish complaints against him, Paul was arrested by the Roman authorities, held for a time under house arrest, and finally executed in or around 67 CE (the year of the start of the Great Revolt against Rome in Israel.)” ~ Rabbi Ken Spiro
• To be Anti-Paul is to tear the living heart out of the New Testament.
• To be Anti Paul opens up a Pandora’s Box among people as to what is inspired in the Bible and what is not. The Canon is a sacred Ark, man’s unsanctified hands are not to touch it. Will this foolishness never end? QUESTIONING GOD’S WORD DENOTES UNBELIEF!
• To be Anti-Paul lays that person open to the full force of Rationalism, Modernism, and “doubt” far worse than any NEO-ORTHODOXY ever dreamed of!
• To be Anti-Paul is an outright denial of the Providence of God in settling and arranging the Canon of Scripture as we know it. Of this Scripture the God of Israel is most jealous! The whole question is: MAN’S MOUTH versus GOD’S WORD!
The Anti-Paul Movement is Jewish
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen
Well, there's no support for that claim in scripture and it especially makes no sense in those instances where Jesus is interacting with God the Father. On the other hand, that's not a "Christian blog site", as they are clearly anti-Trinitarians, which makes them something other than Christians.
So you're saying ONLY trinitarians are Christian?
And lets not forget the "trinity" was added 300+ years after the fact...
Well let me ask you... IF a self proclaimed liar, and murderer tried to sell you something... would you buy it?
Paul is not consistant with Jesus, and his doctrine of "grace" was not taught by him either...
Theres plenty... his attitude towards women... His doctrine of Grace... The fact that he never met Jesus, or taught barely any of his lessons... He was a known liar before he changed his name, and spoke out against christians sending many to their death before he changed his name... and admitted doing so
Yep. Not much point in following Christ if you don't think he was divine
No, the Doctrine of the Trinity was developed 300+ years after the fact, in an effort to explain why the earliest of Christians worshipped Christ as God. The Trinity existed for a while before Christ was born
It depends on what he's selling and what, if any, the relevance of lying and murdering to that product was. If he was selling me a book on "How Not to Get Murdered", that might be a useful background, lol.
So what is it about Paul's view of Grace that you don't like, and how is it inconsistent with Christ's teachings?
Do you think that we need to adhere to Jewish Law in order to be saved? If so, what was the point of Jesus?
do you not believe in repentance?
Originally posted by WiseThinker
I have read Paul teachings that are directly Satanic (Not evil, not luciferian, Satanic).
He claimed that people themselves are God hmhmhmhm.
Namaste.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen
Yep. Not much point in following Christ if you don't think he was divine
Who said he wasn't "divine"? To deny that is to deny what HE said...
I said he wasn't God...
Gods son can not be "dvine" in his own right?
The word "trinity" does not exist in any original texts... and the idea was not taught by Jesus...
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19 NIV)
And i've found the whole "grace" idea leads people to believe that no matter what they do they will be forgiven, as long as they "repent"... I do not believe this is truth...
Have you read this?
Blasphemy... more then you think...
Do you think that we need to adhere to Jewish Law in order to be saved? If so, what was the point of Jesus?
Or this...
Christian?
Originally posted by bowtomonkey
Originally posted by WiseThinker
I have read Paul teachings that are directly Satanic (Not evil, not luciferian, Satanic).
He claimed that people themselves are God hmhmhmhm.
Namaste.
Jesus said that people themselves are gods
Just one point. You write that one cannot be forgiven for murder and rape. Yet how is it that Moses murdered an Egyptian and Paul held the coats of those who murdered Stephen??? Yet these men became two of the most important men in Scripture.
Not within the confines of Judaism, no
Why baptize them in the name of three if only one of them was God?
Well, you're wrong. Or maybe you don't understand what "repent" means... it doesn't mean "oops, forgive me and I'll run out and do it again."
No, and in glancing it over, as I don't believe in karma and reincarnation, which I see as logically impossible, there's likely no reason for me to read it.
Do you mind answering it directly?
So, is one of your problems with Paul that you believe in reincarnation and he refuted it?