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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Tell that to the Christians that use pauls words as such... Most of them around ATS have been banned already... but theres still a few left... I've told you before Paul has nothing on Jesus... i know Paul can't counter Jesus.
He meant a sin sacrifice.
I know what he meant... i was just clairifying
When Jesus was alive there was no such thing as the church (ekklesia) or the New Covenant of grace. The church was born on Pentecost and the New Covenant was established right before His arrest. Historical context is vital.
Since many Christians believe Paul's writings is also correct, they downplayed Jesus radical teachings. And thought He was speaking figuratively. But if Jesus is speaking figuratively, then why did Jesus and his closest disciples lived a very austere life with very little possessed or none at all? Why did Jesus told that worldly possessions can forfeit your salvation? Why did Jesus told to 'carry your cross', only few will find the narrow gate and the narrow road?
From my own research, the Gospel of Jesus is NOT to change. It was the same thousands of years earlier in the Book of Enoch up to Jesus, so why would it suddenly change upon the having Paul in the scene? Unfortunately, the research had to be done with a book out of Canon. That's how bad the Canon Process and eventually the Canon Bible is.
Paul was here to contradict Jesus' quite radical teachings, thus, he is the first antichrist!
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by Akragon
See, in all of those instances, Paul is saying that Jesus decided not to maintain his equality to the Father, preferring to become lessor and subservient to his will. You're reading it wrong, because you're taking it out of context and, because of that error, you're reading the negative as a positive.
In that passage, Paul is absolutely not saying that the incarnated, pre-resurrected Christ is equal to the Father.
but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness. (Philippians 2:7 NIV)
Hebrews 9:27 is used to argue against it.
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
I've learned to steer clear from Pauls works.
I mean, if christians cant agree on him, then why should non-christians trust him as a valid source.
Originally posted by Akragon
The blood sacrifices were never needed to begin with... The true God does not need one to harm any living creature as a means of atonement for sin...
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." -Colossians 1:14
Hebrews 9:22, "...without shedding of blood is no remission. (forgivness )"
“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
-1st Peter 1:18,19
...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1st John 1:7).
"The Ark of the Covenant was found in a cave 20 feet directly below the spot where Jesus was crucified. God intended for the blood of the Lamb to fall upon the Mercy Seat..."
"And so it was that God the Father had rent the rocks to make a way for His Son's blood to flow down from the spear-wound, through the newly formed fissure onto the very Mercy Seat itself. Now just think about this for a moment. Jeremiah had deposited the Ark in the cave some six centuries B.C., with absolutely no knowledge of the events which were to occur on Good Friday.
The Romans who hacked out the post-holes had absolutely no knowledge of what lay beneath their feet, nor that they were positioning the CENTRAL hole in exactly the right place. And until the Lord had died, there was no way for blood to trickle down because there was no crack. But these Amazing coincidences actually happened.
Yes, they ARE coincidences, because everything had to COINCIDE exactly for it to happen, but there was never any human design - it was entirely the work of God in Heaven, who knew the end from the beginning, and arranged for it to happen in that way.
THE ARK OF THE COVENANT
"As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes! They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"
"They couldn't believe what they were seeing! They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood! "
"With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?" Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah." Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting. No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count! Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth." Source