Voucher schools in Louisiana include some teaching creationism

Originally posted by murphy22
"Not on my dime" LOL! To late for that!

My dime pays for your grandma and grandpa to retire or whatever elderly relation you may have recieving "social" security!

My grandparents had to pay SS.
How did yours get out of paying into it all while being able to take from it?
Sure you did not make that up?

My dime pays for your kids/whoever healthcare when they pull a stupid youtube stunt and get injured!

My dime pays for Democrate and Republican boondogles.

My dime pays for the first lady going on vacations! When I can't afford to take my wife on one.

My dime pays for your kids to learn how to be good "comrades" in public schools.

My dime is used against me in so many ways the thought of you fearing a kid may learn of a great spirit makes me laugh. You have so many other things you should be worried about really.

I do not really understand why, how the world came about has anything to do with education in the first place. Science I can see but "big bang" or "let there be light" How in the big scheme of things is this relevant to here and now or living?
It should be a spicial field of study in graduate school. We have kids graduating High school that can hardly read. But I'm sure know how the world came abour will be asked on a job application.
It's just another subject, part of the puppet show TPTB use to keep us devided and focused on everything BUT whats important.

This is specifically a religious issue that leads to constitutional concerns. You just listed a bunch of crap you hate about living in America. Leave.

reply to post by nunyadammm


No, I don't think I will leave. It was brought up how "my dime" paid for children to learn about creationism. Since we were going to be a socialist about it I thought I'd add a few "my dime" statements as well.

I have also commented on the subject and OP. Keep talking you humor me.

reply to post by murphy22


And since "my dime" pays for children to learn "two rocks collided and thus created life".... Yes, I think I'll stick around.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by murphy22

 

And since "my dime" pays for children to learn "two rocks collided and thus created life".... Yes, I think I'll stick around.

edit on 5-8-2012 by murphy22 because: spelling error

Who teaches that and where?
I do not want my dime teaching that either.
Tell me where that is happening and I will fight along with you.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by nunyadammm

 

No, I don't think I will leave.

Then sit around in a country you hate. That is your choice.
It just really does not make any sense to me.

It was brought up how "my dime" paid for children to learn about creationism. Since we were going to be a socialist about it I thought I'd add a few "my dime" statements as well.

I know and that is what I responded to.

I have also commented on the subject and OP. Keep talking you humor me.

As have I. You just have yet to be humorous then I guess.

American media need to stop describing some 3rd world countries as developing nations........ seems American is still a developing nation!

reply to post by nunyadammm


I never laugh at my own jokes. I did not bring "money" into it. The OP did. If you are so bothered by my comments why not answer my questions?
Why should only one theory be taught in school?
Why should the creationist who pay taxes also not be funded with tax money?
Why should a "theory" be taught as fact, when another theory that makes just as much sense, if not more, is also there?
This is more than a "religious" issue in the big scheme of things.
PS. I'm sure whoever collectted SS recieved way more than they put in and this is more than just a theory.

reply to post by nunyadammm


Country I hate? When and where did I say that? You no nothing about me in that regard. I gave 20 yrs. of my life to this country. Lost friends and have been shot at for this country.
I have earned the right to point out it's flaws. The fact that I have seen, what I have seen, is why I visit sites like ATS.

reply to post by nunyadammm


There are many "theories" This was one I was taught. Along with a "big bang", atoms, radioactive slime,... blah and blah. None of it realy explained how life developed. They only raised more questions wich lead to more "theoretical answers" which doesn't make sense! Much like "trig" yeah, we use that everyday.
For an industry like science that has a lot of theories/guesses regarding subjects, they are very closed minded to other theories.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
It's not about majority rule,

No, our system isn't ruled on the basis of majority rule.

Now, if the 10 Commandments hanging in the Supreme Court doesn't indicate something pretty clear,

You should have a read into the context of those displays:
www.snopes.com...

I also asked you what uniquely christian "values" can be found in the constitution, you failed to show us any. You're only arguments are based on the personal beliefs of some the founders and the fact there are references to christianity on various public buildings, you cannot seem to point to specific christian values that this country was founded on.

What part of the constitution lists the 10 commandments?
Is liberty and freedom uniquely christian values? Is your argument based on the idea that these values were invented by christians?

Can you be more specific because you're not really making it clear as to what christian values you speak of.

reply to post by murphy22

Well, all that accomplished one thing. It didn't just encourage, it required critical thinking to develop so it could all be sorted out, right? There is another thing missed by teaching kids so narrowly and so focused to an agenda. Education a few generations ago was a very different thing in some ways.

I'm coming from agreement with you...just tossing my two cents on top.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Thanks! I have no issue with teaching a "theory" if stressed that's what it is. But they pass it as fact and they themselves call it a theory. Personally I do not even understand why it is taught. Unless someone some day will create a universe and hire a lot of employees to run it. Sounds silly I know. But in the big scheme of things? Why is such an old subject (literally) effecting the here and now? If either side of the issue was proven to be fact what does it change?
Such hard questions:
Did Alexander the great skip to school? Lets throw millions of dollars at it to find out. Really absurd!
How about teaching the things the kids will need in life instead of things they'll probably never use as a work skill.
I see no reason if both sides are paying taxes, why both sides should not recieve the same funding.
Other than hate, biggotry or phobias, to use the standard modern jargen... just saying.

think for a second, the nwo wants to teach your kids they are monkeys.

and to drive them away from God so they are alone and helpless and run into their arms when they are older, instead of being free like God made us.

reply to post by SG-17


Dear SG-17,

Evolution isn't a belief, it is a FACT. Therefor your argument is invalid.

And which argument are you referring to? Do you even understand the issue I was raising? It had to do with people having a right to determine what their children are taught rather than the government.

Irrespective your faith, creation is a legitimate belief held by many, children need to be taught it as a view held by many. Not teaching the view of ID is tantamount to ignoring education.
It hasnt been suggested here that the views of ID are forced or indoctrinated on students, just taught to them.
Alternately for children who believe in ID, for them evolution, is a theory that many believe in and their education is better served if they are taught how the theory of evolution is applied.
Its not if you are an atheist with faith in evolution
or a creationist with faith in God, its about educating children what the opposing views are.
To not teach both views is a blatant lie, denying what is clearly part of our society and its beliefs.

The parents of the every student should be able to guide their childs beliefs in such a way they become an asset to their parents, not a hindrance.

Originally posted by borntowatch
Irrespective your faith, creation is a legitimate belief held by many, children need to be taught it as a view held by many. Not teaching the view of ID is tantamount to ignoring education.

There is a big difference between teaching your kids that some people believe in fairy tales and teaching them to believe in fairy tales themselves.

Reptilian overlords living inside the earth and using us to mine gold for their homeland on Mars is also a belief held by many. Neither is legitimate as neither has any basis in any scientific discovery. They are just things people believe because they were told to.

You would think ATS would be a place people would be against that the most.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Thanks! I have no issue with teaching a "theory" if stressed that's what it is. But they pass it as fact and they themselves call it a theory.

A scientific theory is not just a guess.
Gravity is also a theory. Do you mind that being taught?

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by nunyadammm

 

I never laugh at my own jokes.

OK. Why are you telling me?

I did not bring "money" into it. The OP did.

I know. I am following along.

If you are so bothered by my comments why not answer my questions?

There were no questions in that post.

Why should only one theory be taught in school?

Oh so you wanted me to have already answered questions you have not asked yet?
Because there is only one theory and it has proof.

Why should the creationist who pay taxes also not be funded with tax money?

Why don't they get some scientific research to back up their story?

Why should a "theory" be taught as fact, when another theory that makes just as much sense, if not more, is also there?

You are confusing a scientific theory with a story. You are not well versed in science are you?

This is more than a "religious" issue in the big scheme of things.
PS. I'm sure whoever collectted SS recieved way more than they put in and this is more than just a theory.

Interesting backpedal.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by nunyadammm

 

Country I hate? When and where did I say that?

In your rant bashing some of the basic fundamental principals of this country.

You no nothing about me in that regard. I gave 20 yrs. of my life to this country. Lost friends and have been shot at for this country.
I have earned the right to point out it's flaws. The fact that I have seen, what I have seen, is why I visit sites like ATS.

Well then educate yourself so what you are doing is more effective that telling strangers online that you think schools should teach fairy tales.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by nunyadammm

 

There are many "theories" This was one I was taught. Along with a "big bang", atoms, radioactive slime,... blah and blah. None of it realy explained how life developed.

Even evolution does not pretend to explain how life developed but what the hell does that have to do with completely different things?
The big bang has nothing to do with the creation of life. Atoms is a theory you were taught? huh? What about radioactive slime? The only one here that is a theory is the big bang and that is not even related to evolution at all.

Why would you look to ideas about different things other than the ongoing development of life to find out how it was first developed anyway?

They only raised more questions wich lead to more "theoretical answers" which doesn't make sense! Much like "trig" yeah, we use that everyday.

Well...some of us do.

For an industry like science that has a lot of theories/guesses regarding subjects, they are very closed minded to other theories.

You clearly know jack # about science so your opinion of it has very little value at this point.

But hey, you do realize that everything you claim about what is wrong with evolution is also wrong with your creation story right? You can never get your fairy tale to be at least more valid than evolution even in your mind.