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What Is YOUR problem with the police?

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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I do have respect for the good police do.
My only experience with police in my life so far has been once at 2 in the afternoon they came to my home. The counsel man's wife (my neighbor) did not like the music I was playing, it was not at all loud, everyone agreed, (I like to listen to music while I clean the house) but she wanted the police to make me turn it off, they honored her wishes and made me turn it off. I said, I am pretty sure this isn't legal... and they threatened to ticket me, I didn't understand (I was naive about the way things really work when you live next to royalty)... I took the ticket to prove my point....I was sure that the judge would not think this was right.... low and behold...I was charged 350 dollars for disturbing the peace at 2 pm..in my own home. I see abuse of power.

The next time my ex saw me driving through town (on my way home from the doctor) and had the police pull me over and escort me to his station....so he could threaten me with made up charges, harass me and lecture me ( I must be on drugs to not want to be with him). I had a restraining order....(I guess those things mean nothing in some cases..*shrugs). Lucky for me, he let me go and I was permitted to go on my way (should I have called 911 as I was escorted? Well, I did...funny huh)....just a two hour delay..*shrugs... I see abuse of power.

I have gotten pulled over many times simply because...well, I am not sure why... It just happens.... I haven't got any tickets but lots of warnings about stuff like...how the lock on my trunk has some rust on it, and I should get that fixed.....(thanks, I am late for work or church.... like rust has some connection to protecting me or snagging criminals?)...or the common thing, your car meets the description of a stolen car...or a tail light out (would be believable if I didn't have a scanner/cb and heard a different comment) but I would think that they would be busy doing all that important stuff like you mention. I see abuse of power.


I remember standing with my ex while he was chatting with his "friends" in blue and listening to them brag about illegal activities...petty stuff really but... it appeared to me that law was a joke to them. *shrugs I see abuse of power.

Finally, I get pulled out of my home, received a broken rib (oopsy, tripped) and spend a night in jail because I was "accused" of violence (not true) and even though they say this shouldn't have happened to me, they did it anyway. Now it has been months and they would rather make some deal ...like pay fines and they will let it go.... ...sorry darling, I see abuse of power......
When I had my head bashed in by my ex...and the evidence disappears from police custody for court....and miraculously a repeat offender gets 10 days in jail..... what were you saying again..... about police ? I see abuse of power.

Although I do know that police do great things, I also know they do bad things to people too and get away with it. Respect I give because we all ought to be respectful to each other...It should be expected from a public servant entrusted to serve and protect fellow citizens, to resist hypocrisy.

So as you claim there would be chaos if there weren't police, I say when the system protect bad police (and they do) the innocent suffer and crime increases...hun...look around...what do you see? I see this "justice" system siphoning from the people as they increase in prosperity and something is wrong with that.

I am getting old enough too realize that a wolf in sheep's clothing is way more dangerous than a wolf who doesn't hide the fact that he is a wolf.




posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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I presume from your whiny tone around this topic that you are a pig yourself? The questions are yours, you need to ask yourself "am I PART of the community, or above it? "when things get really bad, will all those people I abused mabye abuse me back?" " when the bankrupt government which pays my salary by borrowing off bankrupt banks cannot pay my salary, what will I (and my family) eat?"
Myself, I recognise the need in society for a police force. But, in order for them to police effectively, they need the consent and support of the populace. But, when we read in the paper how they busted some guy for looking over his shoulder to check a pretty girl's ass, and gave him an £80 ticket, for "driving without due care and attn" or when we see that the thug that struck Mr Ian Tomlinson with his baton, and then shoved him to the ground causing him to crack his head on the pavement and die, when we see the pig thug get away with it, and when we observe that all the cctv cameras in the area were 'broken' or 'not recording' and that the incident would have been utterly deniable was it not for some random dude filming with his mobile phone, We, as a population, are forced to re-calibrate our attitude.
So, the choice is yours, prof, take the brown envelope, be one of the gang, or be one of us, one of the people?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Jeez where do I begin?

The militarization of the police and the mindset that comes with it. Target, Eliminate, Dominate.

Abuse of authority both subtle and gross. Ranging from flashing their badge to get out of a ticket, to shaking down immigrants for money, to beating and killing suspects.

The "thin blue line" where they all stick up for one another even if the officer committed murder. (Officer Weems, Chicago) And the lies they tell over and over again without repercussions. I lie in a deposition/testimony I go to jail for perjury.

They can film me, but I can go to jail for fifteen years if I film them.

No knock warrants.

The harassment if you try to file a complaint against an officer.

They do whatever they want, when they want. They are protected. Even if they commit over the top evil they never have to pay. All fines are paid by the city (me).

In short, I feel that I'm nothing in the eyes of the police. They will harass, intimidate, and destroy your life to satisfy their sick demented steroid fueled egos. Obey or Die. I AM THE LAW!!!!



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by ProfessorT

What some people do not realise is that police are not robots. They have family, they have friends, they go out and enjoy themselves like me or you. [/url]


All of which the majority of police offers abuse, belittle, and use their station of power to force compliance. Find me a single child of a police officer who was never bullied or mentally/physically/sexually abused by that officer.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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www.youtube.com...
this is one of the reasons....



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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While I am not anti-police and many of my experiences with them have been positive, the revelations of abuse and misconduct over the last few years should be cause for concern for anyone. Law enforcement personnel should do as much to protect rights as they can within the context of their jobs. I don't feel like police have enough training in the mandate of constitutional law as it pertains to law enforcement as they should.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Always read and enjoy your posts, you are a true intellectual savage. This is a goodish forum, but you are better? I shed a tear (literally) at the post you mentioned, but I know neither of you, and grief tourism is alien to my generation.
Did you watch the "why police are afraid" video? I feel W. Churchill's comments re islam appropriate here. He said (words to the effect of) "individuals of this faith can display sterling qualities but collectively, they're a bunch of cnuts" (cnut BTW is an archaic reference to a wise english king who sought to show his subjects that he could no more stop the tides than god could.
) (Phew)
My greatest wish would be that we were governed by people with wisdom such as yours.//sychophancy off// Seriously though, I wish you taught the school i went to, or the one my youngest goes/ went to ...



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Where do you get that from?

Show me where you get this information on how police treat their own families.

Show me how this makes up a majority instead of producing, at most, a minority.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Honestly, I have NEVER had a problem with LEOs, never ONCE. Never has one gone out of their way to harass me or give me grief, pull me over to mess with me or anything. I don't know where everyone else lives, but I live in a fairly decent sized town outside Charlotte, NC. Good old boys area, and since I am from new York, you'd figure I'd get all sorts of crap. I don't. Honestly, I think bad cops are in the minority, and we only hear about those. Most are just doing their job



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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My greatest wish would be that we were governed by people with wisdom such as yours.


Thank you for your kind words, but my greatest wish is that we finally begin to govern ourselves.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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Yes the police are human but they are public servants and are held to a higher standard. The few bad apples out there create a larger counter wave than is the quiet support for those who do their duty with distinction (kind of like a dissatisfied customer tells 20 people but a satisfied customer might tell one or two). In some cases it is not just an isolated case of a bad apple but police brutality as a culture and complete corruption to cover it up (the case in Pennsylvania vs Mr, Leone - recent post where he is still in jail "after being charged with assault on the officer;s fist with his face"). What about the handcuffed black kid in Miss who was shot in the head in the back of the police car and they are trying to say it was a "suicide"? Doesn't that make you at least ask questions if not become angry?
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Once in a whiile we need to step back on an issue and look at it from the opposing view.
The job with the highest suicide rate is LEO.
Why ? Because everyday of their job all they see is the underbelly of society, sexual and physically abused children,drug addicts, drunks, rapes ,assaults, thiefts, murders,and robberies.
What call would you like to start your day ?
The cops did not make the laws and policys they just enforce them.
It is our elected officials that make the laws and police policys.
Take your complaints to the source !



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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because they lie, cheat and steal from the public, daily.
because they defend and shelter their own thug behavior.
because they demonstrate little respect for their fellow citizens.
because most are willing to go along with a failed system rather participate in correcting problems deeply buried within.

for the last 30yrs or so, LEOs have gone to great lengths to make someone else responsible for their bad/unlawful acts.
because they seldom hesitate to use arrest as a mere revenue source.
because they are comprised of the lowest common denominators regarding human intelligence.
because they are often liars first, thieves at any opportunity and killers on a whim.
i could list more reasons but these are the primary ones.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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which is all very well and good, and should be done.

But that's only part of the solution to the problem you point out. The rest of it is doing something about it.

"I hate the police for doing this!!" OK, that's good, but? What are we going to do to rectify such occurrences? My own experience with an abusive policeman took some time to rectify, but I finally got him fired. So it can be done.

It took going to the State Attorney Generals office, and the State Police, but the jerk was finally given his walking papers.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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to be honest im not sure where i lost faith in our police.

Maybe it was when i became a corrections officer and experienced the poor excuse for training they received?
Or maybe it was when an idiot put me in jail untill my car could be checked out because he thought an industrial machine part was a bomb.
Or maybe it was because my Uncle whom is a veteran from vietnam and now a preacher was an officer for a few years and said he left because of the corruption.
Or maybe it was when a good friend of mine went to town hall to complain about a traffic ticket unarmed and wound up getting shot to death.
Or maybe when my friend whom is an officer who told me that his boss told him being an officer had nothing to do with protect and serve.
Or maybe it was when there was a clerical error showing an unpaid ticket on my record ( under 10 mph over) and i spent the night in jail with several inmates i used to guard as CO and was refused protective custody.
Or maybe it was one of the many video taped abuses online.

When i was young i used to look up to officers and felt good about them they were my role models.
Now I tell my son they are bad and not to get involved with them because he could wind up in more danger than he is in the first place.

The wages for police or to low so only thugs that cannot find jobs elsewhere take the position and there training is minimal. Power and the fear make the mind subject to corruption and overcompensation.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 02:18 AM
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Cops feel superior to the rest of us

Oh, yeah and they can shoot me at any moment



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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yea.. let me say this..

I don't have an issue with LEO's themselves; I have a BIG problem with some of their actions/decisions!

We all have jobs to do and we should hold each other accountable (that subject is completely dead in the entire world over) as some use to LONG time ago in lands far away when each persons character actually meant something.

Here's the standard I'm looking for in ALL police depts, governments, Corporations the world over ~! it's something that isn't necessarily 'taught' ....it's learned. It's about doing those things that are honorable and bring honor to yourself and your community and family...

The Code for those who Serve




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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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My problems with LEOs match many of those posted above.
Add to that the fact that my ex-wife is a cop and we really dislike each other.
Add to that the fact that "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away".
Then consider the court ruling that the police are not required to protect you anyway.
I watch police violate traffic laws on a daily basis, yet they want to pull us over if we do the exact same thing.
I do not believe we need such large police forces. I believe we need an armed, conscientious society.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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They don't care # about protecting the average joe for one?? The only thing they care about is solving petty crimes and fining people that drive a few km/h too fast since that is what pays the best and makes their stats look good.
Try calling them if you have a burglary. Even if you have burglary going on as you call, they wont come because of "lack of resources". And if you take the matters in your own hands and provide them with all the evidence they need, they still wont charge anyone and will just drop the case.

Meanwhile here in Norway you can have 10 cops busting down the door because some friends played poker with 10 euros in the pot... But yet they don't have resources to send a SINGLE person to help you out when your life is in danger. The fact is that these #ers work for state and not to protect you and me.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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I have no problem with real police officers, Its the people that put on a uniform, boss and push people around, and then cry when something doesnt go there way. The people are what give the power to the police, thats it, no other way. If we the people did not reconize the police and respect them, they would have No power. Unfortunetly it only takes a few Bad police to make the entire department look bad. We all know that police are there to help, but what happens when it doesnt go their way, its seems like a wall goes up. It not good when police do that, they start to become desensitize, and morals go out the window. Thats when people start to dislike the police. personally I think every police officers should have a certain IQ, and be independently looked at each year, its a Huge responsibity for them, and should not be taken lightly.




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