Refusing To Put A Normal Child On Psych Drugs Results In Swat Teams and a Tank

Originally posted by fireyaguns
Some friends of mine had a perfectly healthy baby boy back in 2010. They decided after enough pressure from their family members to immunise their baby and within 24 hours after their boy received the first shot their little boy reacted so badly he was taken back to the hospital and is now autistic.

If you don’t know your rights you have none.

Yeah and then they try to say vaccines don't cause autism. I believe they do. When my daughter was born in the hospital, I specifically told them no hepatitis B shot, at least not right now. You know what they did? They went on ahead and gave it to her without my permission and I did not find out about it for 3 years until I had to get her medical records for a specialist. The specialist happened to be looking at her records and rattled off, "Oh she had her hep b shot" and I about came unglued because they did this behind my back. You would not believe all of the evil things Indian Health Services does to it's people, including experiments on babies, children, and women. It was worse in the 80's and 90's.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I know a couple of parents that allowed their child to be put on a pediatric dose of xanax so that the child will stay seated and not "disrupt" the class. I don't know the entire story, but apparently the child was asking too many questions of the teacher and "disrupting" the rest of the students.

My decision to home school came about when my sister found out her son's teacher was high all of the time in class. The teacher was caught and fired, however, who is to say it can't happen again.

That infuriates me ....then it makes me sick.

The child was too intelligent and asked too many questions. Solution? Dope that kid until the proper level of dull stupidity is shown to conform.

Oh I could scream. People wonder why the United States ranks WAYY down on most Academic measures within the Western World. At one time we led the world. Now? We tell each other we still do.....while I swear, the world kinda chuckles at hearing us say it.

I hate to vilify all teachers, because there are some good ones out there. There are still some human beings out there in the public system, who see what is going on and want things to better. But for the most part, there are too many teachers that just don't care and they want to teach the curriculum and go home. Some do not care about the children, and they don't have the patience.

I've seen a few good people head to college so they can become teachers, excited and wanting to change the world. But once they graduate and get into their jobs, they find out how narrow minded and difficult the curriculum that they have to teach can be, and how they have to teach to test. My heart goes out to the ones who see the problems and feel helpless to change them. They truly want to do some good. Some get fed up and just give in and forget what they wanted to do in the first place, and become apathetic to the entire issue. If you can't beat them, join them, then drug them so you can deal with them.

I willingly went on Prozac for my anxiety. It was strange how quickly the doctor I never met for more than 30 minutes was suggesting I go on 10mg of fluoxetine. Eventually, I upped it to 20mg. It helped but damaged me more.

I quit it this year. Probably over 6 months ago. But now, I have ADD as well as OCD (the original problem) and now I hallucinate. I lost my high metabolism until I quit and now I'm overweight, but not by much. I have developed eating disorders that randomly disappear and come back. I developed body dismorphic disorder that also randomly disappears. And my anxiety is worse.

Thank you, Prozac.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by marg6043

 

I don't know why it is happening. But if that lady would have had a way to contact me, I would have started driving that way with my guns.

I hold my children as the most sacred thing in the world. I would kill for mine, and I would kill for yours, too.

*looks up at BFFT from looking at the ground*.....

There can only be 2 things wrong with this senerino..

1) It's a complete fabrication of the news of incident to get us to react.. or...
2) it really happened... and if it really happened...

USA is in deep *****~!!

Solution: get the Govener and Major out of detroit ~NOW or else this will only continue..

Originally posted by Starchildren
A meeting was held in which the counselor suggested that her daughter had some type of mental problem that needed to be addressed, and the topic of medication was introduced. Medication so that her daughter would sit still.

May as well whack her up with a shot of heroin.

But that would affect her productivity too...

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The problem with the public in America, thinking they couldn't just find another soldier to do it if that one refused? There's always another yes man, don't be naive enough to think that they'd treat you any differently in a martial law situation.

Originally posted by snarky412
reply to post by martianmallow

 

Me personally, I am so sick and tired of hearing doctors prescribing medicine to young kids. What ever happened to trying to treat a problem on it's own, with out medicine? This wasn't always like this, there used to be doctors who actually took the time to diagnose & treat properly with out the use of meds.

You can't blame the doctors totally, after all the "Medical" doctors are trained *ONLY* in using medicine to treat symptoms. It is literally all they know. They know nothing about psychology, nothing about nutrition, and nothing about prevention nor treating the cause.

The "conspiracy" behind that fact is a different topic, but nowadays you can get better root-cause results by going to anyone other than a MEDICAL doctor. If you have something that needs medicine, by all means - go there.

It's like hiring a contractor who only owns a hammer and no other tool. GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS...

Even a Chiropractor (A legit one) can do better sometimes. How many people have had odd things simply disappear by getting their back/joints put right? LOTS.

Nutritionists are godsends. They can help identify things you are allergic to and not aware of. They can identify nutrients you are sorely lacking in. They can analyze your blood/urine/spit whatever and tell things from that. They can give you a list of foods to avoid and foods you get the most from.

Sometimes all you need is a detox. Sometimes all you need to do is fast. There was a thread on here a while ago a guy changed his life by fasting. No medical doctor will ever advise that!

All to get to the root cause.

Anyway. DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE.

Originally posted by ninjas4321
So a swat team came to a womans house with a tank all because she refused to give her child her prescribed meds

Only in america and yes she eventuly got the right to decide whats best for her child

edit on 29-7-2012 by ninjas4321 because: (no reason given)

It's not only in America. It's the same everywhere, because..

You can't REGISTER your child and then expect to be able to dictate what gets/doesn't get put inside of his/her body any more than you can dictate whether she/he will enter a government school or not, or what they will teach him/her there.

Don't register your children, if you don't want the government (REGIS = KING) to own them. It's as simple as that. You willingly gave away all control to your child ('allodial title' belongs to the government from that point on), and then you are surprised when the government has the authority to do whatever they want with the kid.

There's a certain amount of hypocrisy in that. It's like I sign a contract with you, which allows you to hit my head with a wooden hammer, and when you do, I start being shocked about it and complain all over the place. Well, duh - what did you expect?

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This reminds me of a story about Gillian Lynne in Ken Robinson's Ted Talk (Schools kills creativity) .

While working on his new book about some talented people, Ken interviewed among others Gillian Lynne, choreographer and dancer. When she was little girl back in 30s, teacher wrote to her parents that she possibly had learning disorder, as she had hard time concentrating or sitting still. At the time ADHD was not 'invented' so it was not possible cause.

Anyway, she went to see this specialist. So, this oak-paneled room, and she was there with her mother, and she was led and sat on this chair at the end, and she sat on her hands for 20 minutes while this man talked to her mother about all the problems Gillian was having at school. And at the end of it -- because she was disturbing people; her homework was always late; and so on, little kid of eight -- in the end, the doctor went and sat next to Gillian and said, "Gillian, I've listened to all these things that your mother's told me, and I need to speak to her privately." He said, "Wait here. We'll be back; we won't be very long," and they went and left her. But as they went out the room, he turned on the radio that was sitting on his desk. And when they got out the room, he said to her mother, "Just stand and watch her." And the minute they left the room, she said, she was on her feet, moving to the music. And they watched for a few minutes and he turned to her mother and said, "Mrs. Lynne, Gillian isn't sick; she's a dancer. Take her to a dance school."

Just imagine how many other (talented) kids were sedated to 'fix' their condition...

A brave, loving and wonderful mother in an absolutely horrible society.
The fact that things like this happens blows my mind on all levels!

crazy stuff !

its a bit of a stretch to call it a tank , its an armored personnel carrier ! we all know what a tank is , and that isnt one !

Still thought tank or APC , its still quite disturbing show of force , when there shouldnt have been any!

Welcome to America where they will bring tanks to your home if you don't dose your child, the drug companies must be smiling with glee!

By the way - This happened in 2011.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
The sad thing is, these idiots think they're just helping the children. This is why I'm so much against Children Firsters, is because they think they have more rights to your children than you do and can do anything they want to in order to protect your children.

That's also why I hate self righteous people, they always think they're justified and always think they're doing no wrong and always take it upon themselves to act on their convictions without fully understanding or educating themselves of the situation.

Now I believe in protecting children, and am against child abuse and all that, but I draw the line at idiocy and the trampling of a person's rights.

Really the sad thing is those military and swat idiots are following orders. Which means idiots are giving orders to other idiots. Which means a large part of our government is run by.... idiots (obviously). Which means, we the people really ARE on our own. Are we really to assume that idiots in the military and swat will stand down when they are given orders to shoot?

America is lost, and I'm frightened by those who don't see it

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by marg6043

 

I don't know why it is happening. But if that lady would have had a way to contact me, I would have started driving that way with my guns.

I hold my children as the most sacred thing in the world. I would kill for mine, and I would kill for yours, too.

I'm with you here buddy.

The freedom of our progeny is paramount.
No cost is too high.

And they are declaring war on us on all fronts, they did a long time ago it's just we are finally waking up here in the last 2 decades. I got a million things to say, but you know them already.

Just look inside yourself, and then you will know where my loyalties reside.

There has to be more to this story. If there isnt, then damn, thats messed up. But what happened really? It seems all we are seeing is a dramatized video.

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Well I'm glad I don't live in the usa awful place, sicko's!!!

Originally posted by Shoujikina

Originally posted by ninjas4321
So a swat team came to a womans house with a tank all because she refused to give her child her prescribed meds

Only in america and yes she eventuly got the right to decide whats best for her child

edit on 29-7-2012 by ninjas4321 because: (no reason given)

It's not only in America. It's the same everywhere, because..

You can't REGISTER your child and then expect to be able to dictate what gets/doesn't get put inside of his/her body any more than you can dictate whether she/he will enter a government school or not, or what they will teach him/her there.

Don't register your children, if you don't want the government (REGIS = KING) to own them. It's as simple as that. You willingly gave away all control to your child ('allodial title' belongs to the government from that point on), and then you are surprised when the government has the authority to do whatever they want with the kid.

There's a certain amount of hypocrisy in that. It's like I sign a contract with you, which allows you to hit my head with a wooden hammer, and when you do, I start being shocked about it and complain all over the place. Well, duh - what did you expect?

edit on 30-7-2012 by Shoujikina because: (no reason given)

Here is the hard core truth of the matter. ^^ Great post btw.

The act of registering the child is indeed a legal contract and must be upheld.
That is why I refuse under all forms of punishment conceivable to acquiesce to such tyranny.

They will threaten and bark, to "scare" people into signing that document. And 99.999999% of the population bites the bait as a result.

I just did some highly in depth research on this very topic yesterday morning, looked up hundreds of definitions and cases where this subject was discussed. Mostly the state I am in right now, but some other cases throughout the nation as well.

I dug and dug, and I have at least (but not limited to) 5 hard arguments that can easily trump this registration crap.

Did you know that you can waive your entitlements? No one ever does it so it's almost unheard of but, you can technically lawfully waive any entitlement thrust upon you by the government.

This is one of my pet ideas I have been working on since yesterday. I triple checked it by looking up various cases where waivers of entitlements were the subject. And it is a right to waive your rights, especially as a form of trade for other more valued things. This is the basis of plea-bargaining and is upheld by all of the courts I have reviewed cases of.

Wow!....

Just look at all those big, tough Tyranny Enforcement Officers with their tactical assualt gear and big scary tank. All for an unarmed mom and her children. Why don't those coward a$$ ba$tards go do a couple of deployments where I was in Afghan, where people actually shoot back at you and lets have some Law Enforcement Officers with virtue and integrity actually serve the citizenry and protect them.

It is truly sad when I look at this and see that these officers are equipped with nearly the same equipment that I was as a SWCC Operator in the Navy, and all to enforce tyrannical laws against a civilian population.

Personally, if it were me and my kids that they were coming after it wouldn't have went down the way it did. Those POS cops, if they want to play war would have gotten a taste of what real combat is like. They forget that there are plenty of us ex military out there, with much better training than them, and actual combat experience that could take them and their Urban Assault Vehicle out in a matter of minutes.

I don't incite or uphold violence, however I took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution and will honor that oath until death, whether the threat is from foreign soil or the political power whores and their minions right here in the US.

We are now witnessing the full invasion against our liberties and sovereignty at the hands of those we elect to "represent" us and do our will, stories such as this are further evidence of the assault on "We The People". We have now reached a state in our nation where TPTB seek to dictate to us what to eat, what medicine to take, how to act "appropriately", and almost to the point of what to think.

I say the situation is backwards in this instance, the ones that need to be medicated are those making these perverted, ignorant laws and those who are incapable of thinking for themselves and think it is okay to commit acts such as this against innocent citizens.

"The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
~Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention, March 23,1775

That is the quote I live my life by. I will not live my life in bondage and servitude to anyone, nor will I subject my children to such. I would rather die fighting as a free man than live 10 lifetimes in a cage.

I am confused. How did the police get involved in the first place? Can somebody lay out the chain of events to me?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by WorkingClassMan

 

What is the standard police response when a child is being removed from a home, and an adult then baricades themself inside the house with said child? (I'm assumeing their is a standard)

Here is the standard, beginning with Article I, Section 1 of the Michigan State Constitution

§ 1 Political power.

Sec. 1. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal benefit, security and protection.

Article I, Section 17:

§ 17 Self-incrimination; due process of law; fair treatment at investigations.

Sec. 17. No person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law. The right of all individuals, firms, corporations and voluntary associations to fair and just treatment in the course of legislative and executive investigations and hearings shall not be infringed.

Most importantly, Article I, Section 23:

§ 23 Enumeration of rights not to deny others.

Sec. 23. The enumeration in this constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The governments in Michigan were way out of control before SWAT showed up, and I might add that SWAT personnel are trained to kill. Trained to shoot and kill. Shoot and kill.

Legal experts: 'Rubber-stamping' child removal orders illegal; Wayne County practice must stop

(WXYZ) - When the judge dismissed the criminal charges against Maryanne Godboldo – he called the child removal order that sparked the case unconstitutional. As the Action News Investigators first showed you – the order to remove Godboldo’s child from her home was never actually reviewed by a judge.

This process is called rubber-stamping – where probation officers - NOT judges -- are literally stamping a judge’s signature onto the orders used to take children away from their parents. That means in Wayne County -- a judge is not looking at the evidence in a case before a child is removed – and court experts say that’s illegal – and it has got to stop.

Would you call "rubber stamping" due process of law, or would you call that standard operating procedure for Constitutionally restrained governments?

Pick up that gauntlet and do some homework. Ignorantia juris non excusat!

Awesome post JPZ. ..wanted to post it again.

The legal system has become so damn bureaucratic, that this type of rubber stamping occurs consistantly on a daily basis. Our legal system has become a assembly line without quality control.

Instead of handling a case individually, reading the complaints and speaking with the people these judgments effect ...they just throw them into the meat grinder and stamp the outcome.

Not only has our legal system become more about money for the state than justice for the parties concerned, it's become grotesquely lazy. These are real people and real lives that these dirtbags are playing with. They are so out of touch with everyday citizenry and the lives they affect.

Our GREAT country was founded on due process, we were once proud of our court system because care was given to each case, but above all common sense was applied. There is no common sense applied in this case at all and its a shame that this woman had to fight for 9 months while her child was held captive by the state to prove she had rights.

Ass backward system today. No common sense is used anymore. I am ashamed of our system.