Originally posted by nenothtu
You seem to be confusing the separation between church and state, and apparently believe there is some sort of equity between religious law and
secular law. ...Just because YOU don't fall under it doesn't make it any less "real"...
Yep, you're right in that religious law and federal law are in no way "the same". But between the run on sentences and the convoluted reasoning and
the apparent lack of a "point" in that last paragraph, I will still try to explain. (just promise to take your fingers out of your ears this
Arguments against gay marriage by anti-gay-marriage activists are based in their religious belief. However, religious law does not dictate state or
federal law because: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion". People's personal religious law and state law are two
separate things entirely. State (gov't) law applies to all of us. Every citizen falls under federal/state law whether they like it or not. By
contrast, religious law applies to members who choose to follow said religion and said law. Those who are not part of this religious group do not have
to follow bible law, nor can they be compelled to do so. The two are separate. Therefor, when religious people (in the U.S., mostly Christians)
advocate basing state/federal law around their religious beliefs, they are compelling everyone else to follow their religious doctrine, shoving thier
"god" and beliefs down everyone else's throat. Religious belief as justification for federal/state laws is unconstitutional (still, sometimes
unjust laws are passed anyway, see, slavery, women's suffrage, etc.). I can probably guess how you, the OP and others (myself included) would feel if
a Muslim group started pushing for a federal law requiring all women, whether these women are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, atheist etc. to wear
headscarfs in public (so this is how people feel when Christians do the same thing with their religious beliefs)...Religious belief should never form
the basis of state/federal laws.
Originally posted by nenothtu"Bible law" doesn't apply to her, either. She's not a Christian. Just because you happen to have a hard
on for Christians, don't assume everyone who disagrees with you IS one.
First of all, I never said she was a Christian so don't go putting words in my mouth. She in fact did make references to the bible and mentions
believing in, at least, certain parts of it, but I'm not making any assumptions about her religion, she could subscribe to some new religion that she
herself invented, it doesn't matter and it's not really relevant. I could care less what others choose to believe or do in their personal lives.
What is relevant is that in the U.S. it is mostly CHRISTIANS, especially fundamentalist Christians, that are advocating against equal rights (among
other contentious issues) based on their religious beliefs (and in many states have passed discriminatory laws). So you see, a lot of people get
rightfully annoyed when you have a certain religious group trying to compel people of different religions and people of no religion to follow their
belief system. The reason I and others keep mentioning Christians, is because in this country it IS fundamental CHRISTIANS who are advocating for
state and federal laws based on their religious doctrine...and I hope I don't have to explain here as to why this is wrong / unconstitutional.
Originally posted by nenothtu
If they don't "give a hoot about religious marriage", then why do so many push for a church marriage?
Here you are wrong. Gay people are not pushing to get married in church. What gay person would want to be part of an organization that hates and
discriminates against them? Go back and read the dozens upon dozens of times this has already been said. Gay people want what everyone else has. The
ability to obtain a state marriage license and the 1000+ benefits and rights that come with it. They want legal equality with every other consenting
heterosexual adult in this country, and that means either everyone has access to these rights via a marriage contract or the state stops granting
marriage licenses to people altogether. Either everyone is allowed to get married under federal law or no one is. This has nothing to do with
"church", "god", or anything else concerning religion.