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Originally posted by Star128
reply to post by OpinionatedB
"LEGITAMITE question, seeking LEGITAMITE discourse" !!!!????
Jeezus... Do NONE of you possess dictionaries, as if spell-checkers weren't enough???
Are that many of you really this illiterate?
Do you really expect to be taken seriously?
HERE'S an idea; butter up someone who knows how to write, and have THEM translate your scratching into English.
Don't get me wrong, I can USE a laugh, it's just that this isn't a humor site.
reply to post by Star128
"LEGITAMITE question, seeking LEGITAMITE discourse" !!!!???? Jeezus... Do NONE of you possess dictionaries, as if spell-checkers weren't enough??? Are that many of you really this illiterate? Do you really expect to be taken seriously?
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by MollyStewart
Please note the stability of such homes and how the state has to support the mother and all her bastard children for their entire life under the welfare system using your tax dollars...
there is societal benefit to having stable homes. But of course, obviously not necessary for some people.edit on 26-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
Please note the stability of such homes and how the state has to support the mother and all her bastard children for their entire life under the welfare system using your tax dollars...
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
This is a legitamite question, seeking legitamite discourse on the topic.
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by XaniMatriX
As I am not myself a Christian we simply go by the scholars of said religion for their interpretation of the texts on this matter.... and I have heard most of them declare that the Bible stated homosexuality is condemned.
It is not to me to change their religious beliefs, nor is it to you, nor anyone else....
Anyone in this country, is allowed the freedom to practice and believe in whatever religion they want, so long as their practices are within the confines of the law....
Everyone in this country regardless of religion, creed, or sexual orientation and so forth, in this country are constitutionally protected and afforded equal rights
Peoples religious constitutional rights can never ever be trampled on, and neither can anyones right to protection of equality under the law.... but you cannot decide what I can believe, and how my marriage is defined inside my religion, because to me marriage is a religious institution protected under the constitiution of the united states of american... just as are your rights
No ones rights should be removed, everyone should be afforded equal treatment, and all americans should stand for that together!
Originally posted by MrWendal
The answer to your question is actually very simple....
Because Marriage is no longer a religious practice and it stopped being strictly about religion the day the Government got involved in marriage.
Marriage USED to be about making vow before your God. How often do you make a vow to God but ask for the States permission to do so prior to making said vow? That is exactly what happens when you apply for a marriage license.
The Gay marriage issue has nothing to do with God or vows. It has everything to do with taxes. A Married couple gets tax breaks. They can put their spouse on insurance plans. There are several rights that a married couple gets that a single person can not get. So if you are a same sex couple, you are still classified as "single" in the eyes of Government and therefor your are excluded.
Want to put an end to this issue? Get Government out of Marriage, get the IRS out of Marriage, stop giving married people a better deal than "singles". Do that- and watch how quickly this debate dies.
Originally posted by thebtheb
There are plenty of "scholars" who come up with no such assertion that the bible is against gays. In fact most of the people who come up with that idea are fundamentalists, and hardly 'scholars.'
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by thebtheb
As I( said this entire time, I am fine with any of that, this is equal rights if a religious couple gets married according to their religion this is fine.
If they make a contract according to their beliefs whatever they may be this is fine
if people want to live together and have rights like everyone else regardless this is their right to equal rights
if everyone is following the laws of the state in criminal matters.... this all should be fine
it is not a matter of denying anyone their rights.... I do think that equal protection should be granted to every adult in this country.
I just dont think the umbrella of protection for marriage under religious freedom is able to be redefined or taken away....tothetenthpower said it wont, that nothing can take away that protection for those who have Rabbanical courts etc and those who want this as well.....that it wont effect our religious protection.....
As such, if what he said is true, and I have no reason to doubt him as he has seemed honest since the day I came to this site....So I will trust his word and not oppose it....
religious people just arent willing to loose rights they are now afforded.....
and the reality is, having state involved in marriage is stupid to begin with... when is it the states business what I do so long as I am following the law? What business is it of anyones what their neighbor does....?
Its not