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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by SaturnFX
What?
Can you show us some exact examples of what if anything would have been positive for the majority of citizens ?
Maybe they actually prevented some worse disasters ?
We need the real facts and figures to compare.
Yikes !!
edit on Jul-16-2012 by xuenchen because:
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by beezzer
You DON'T raise taxes during a recession.
1) the recession is technically over, but we are still in a disaster
2) polling shows the opposite to your suggestion for who will inherit the power
3) if your concerned about a recession, you don't demand a hobble to public employment..which has been the motto of the right wing since O took office.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
The EPA did not even exist in 1961.
We got along just fine.
If we shut it down then we will save over $10 Billion!
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BTW, shut down the Department of Education. Turn it back to the individual states.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Eurisko2012
If by "getting along just fine" you mean everyone just dumped their toxic waste into rivers...yup
I wonder if we had allowed that since the 60s and the rivers and once beautiful US landscape would look horrible now...would you still consider it "getting along just fine". Because 50+ years of dumping toxic wastes like they did in the 50s before the EPA came along would have definitely ruined entire landscapes.
Think...just once...THINK before you post!
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
Shut down the EPA. Ask yourself how we ever survived back in the year 1961???
Originally posted by Kaploink
Originally posted by kozmo
Obama just raised taxes on the middle class by the LARGEST amount in the history of this country! But, I mean, why pay attention to the facts, right?
The tax increases hit those individuals earning more than 200k a year or household incomes of 250k a year. Let's remember that the median family income in the United States is about 60k a year. Only about 1.5% of families earn more than 250k a year. They are not the middle class.
We can argue that it's a big tax increase, but it's not the biggest tax increase on the middle class.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
We can dispose of our toxic waste just fine without the EPA.
Just try it for 1 year and see what happens.
Lay off everyone there and turn off the power to the building.
You will see that the world does not come to an end.
For the past three decades, poor African nations have been used as
the dumping sites for hazardous toxic waste materials from
developed countries who are out to reduce the costs of disposing or
recycling these by-products of industries.
Originally posted by kozmo
Originally posted by Kaploink
Originally posted by kozmo
Obama just raised taxes on the middle class by the LARGEST amount in the history of this country! But, I mean, why pay attention to the facts, right?
The tax increases hit those individuals earning more than 200k a year or household incomes of 250k a year. Let's remember that the median family income in the United States is about 60k a year. Only about 1.5% of families earn more than 250k a year. They are not the middle class.
We can argue that it's a big tax increase, but it's not the biggest tax increase on the middle class.
I think your chrystal ball is busted! This tax increase called "obamacare" is going to hit over 75% of the middle class. Even though Pelosi got the bill passed so that we could see what was in it, apparently you failed to read it. There are over 30 new taxes and fees. Just about everyone who has looked at it is in agreement that over 75% of these costs get passed directly to the middle class... the people you were just talking about.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
Stop with the fear. ( Nancy Pelosis favorite tool)
We have the technology to dispose of our toxic waste in a safe way. Stop jumping
to the worst case scenario.
Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
Stop with the fear. ( Nancy Pelosis favorite tool)
We have the technology to dispose of our toxic waste in a safe way. Stop jumping
to the worst case scenario.
You know as well as everyone else that if the EPA disappeared, companies would not dispose of their toxic waste in a safe manner. Doing so is more expensive then just dumping in in a river or landfill, which is the whole reason the EPA was formed in the first place.
You're either being disingenuous or you need to think more.
Originally posted by seaside sky
reply to post by Eurisko2012
I like this budget cutting strategy. These federal agencies do more than waste money- they also protect the criminals and punish everyone else. I never understood the mentality that the more important something is (environment, education, etc.) the more distant and unaccountable the authority should be.
Let's get rid of the FDA too, while we're at it.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SaturnFX
Stop with the fear. ( Nancy Pelosis favorite tool)
We have the technology to dispose of our toxic waste in a safe way. Stop jumping
to the worst case scenario.