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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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from The Washington Post
July 15, 2012

Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes
 

It sounds like the Democrats in Congress are using strong-arm tactics to somehow get the Republicans to raise taxes on "the rich".

They seem to be "threatening" to allow the current "tax cuts" to expire on January 1st therefore defaulting to higher and possibly devastating taxes for everybody, especially the middle class with middle incomes !!

They want tax increases on "the rich" included in any agreements.

Many arguments say that would only pay a nominal amount into the Treasury.

Others argue that it's all about raving jealousy.

A big fight is looming over this issue, and it probably will be "settled" After the November elections.

Some opinions say that the Democrats are hoping to "keep" the White House and Senate majorities and regain a majority in the House.

But are these scare tactics actually going to work ?

A lot of citizens have been victimized by policies that have simply not done anything positive for the majority of Americans.

When Obama took office in January 2009, he had with him majorities in the Senate and House that lasted for two years.

We all have seen the results of that.....

They over spent to the max.

They maxed out the U.S. Treasury's borrowing capacity and spent the highest possible percentage of revenues that they could "get away" with.

Obama's first two years also passed legislations that we still have no idea what they will end up costing.


Democrats are making increasingly explicit threats about their willingness to let nearly $600 billion worth of tax hikes and spending cuts take effect in January unless Republicans drop their opposition to higher taxes for the nation’s wealthiest households.

Emboldened by signs that GOP resistance to new taxes may be weakening, senior Democrats say they are prepared to weather a fiscal event that could plunge the nation back into recession if the new year arrives without an acceptable compromise.

In a speech Monday, Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), the Senate’s No. 4 Democrat and the leader of the caucus’s campaign arm, plans to make the clearest case yet for going over what some have called the “fiscal cliff.” .....
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Breitbart "opinions"

A year ago, President Barack Obama called Republicans "hostage takers" for staying true to their mandate and refusing to agree to tax hikes as part of the debt ceiling deal. Now, the Washington Post reports that Democrats are explicitly threatening to allow "nearly $600 billion worth of tax hikes and spending cuts"--otherwise known as "Taxmageddon"--in January unless Republicans agree to raise taxes on the highest earners. It's the clearest sign of which party is, in fact, the most extreme--and the most willing to put party ahead of country....{story continues}

The Real Hostage Takers: Democrats Threaten Taxmageddon for All Unless Rich Pay More


Can the Democrats actually get enough votes from this tactic ?





posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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So in order to get the Republicans to do what they want, the Democrats want to punish ordinary average American citizens.

Millions of them.

And they wonder why there's so much apathy towards the political process.

That's the saddest things about politics, is those who don't have any real power will be the first to be targeted for punishment in order to make an example for the rest of them.

Anything to make a buck.

Who cares about the people, right?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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This will somehow be twisted to make it look like the republicans are responsible, and then after that it will somehow be blamed on Bush. Same old tactics different week, the big problem here is that the little guy gets raped while all these political figure heads sit in their cushy offices trying to figure out yet more ways to screw the working class.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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"Democrats 'THREATEN' to go off a fiscal cliff..." Um, NEWSFLASH... Democrats have taken the country off a fiscal cliff with their policies and vote buying strategies over a decade ago!


maybe they should just take their bat and ball and go home... you know, since no one wants to play by their rules! Freaking CHILDREN!!!



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Yeah it's pretty pathetic that this is what our system looks like. Republicans won't cooperate, so Democrats act out with wild irresponsibility. Of course this won't work. As long as representatives divide themselves into opposing forces, the rest of the people in the country will suffer the consequences. I wish I could say the elections could make a difference, but I really doubt it. We all know the elections are rigged, and even if they weren't, the average voter is completely uninformed.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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I'll just leave this here.






Does everyone see this?

edit on 16-7-2012 by grey580 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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reply to post by xuenchen
 


It's funny how you are trying to say the Democrats are threatening to raise taxes on the middle class.


It's quite simple...Republicans are holding the middle and lower class hostage in order to demand lower taxes for the rich.

Nice attempt at spin...good luck trying to sell it.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by xuenchen
 


It's funny how you are trying to say the Democrats are threatening to raise taxes on the middle class.


It's quite simple...Republicans are holding the middle and lower class hostage in order to demand lower taxes for the rich.

Nice attempt at spin...good luck trying to sell it.




Well OK.

Perhaps you could explain all that in English ?

But in your wise opinion,

Don't you see the possibility that if the Dems get full control again, we could see a $25 trillion debt late in an Obama 2nd term ?

All they need to do is raise the Treasury interest rates (ever so slightly) to attract more debt buyers.

Plus, I don't see this latest tactic gaining and new votes for Obama or any Democrat.

It could become a net loss of votes. Maybe that's what they really want ?

I think Obama wants O-U-T !!! He is fed up with the criticisms (he hates that you know !).

He can make 10 time the money on the media circuit than as President !!!

Watch for it !!



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by grey580
I'll just leave this here.






Does everyone see this?

edit on 16-7-2012 by grey580 because: (no reason given)


Yes, I see it... It says "As government has gotten BIGGER and as taxes and regulations have INCREASED, GDP has DECREASED. That is EXACTLY what it says. Thanks for supporting the claim that LOWER taxes and LESS government interference equals MORE GDP!!!



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by xuenchen
 


It's funny how you are trying to say the Democrats are threatening to raise taxes on the middle class.


It's quite simple...Republicans are holding the middle and lower class hostage in order to demand lower taxes for the rich.

Nice attempt at spin...good luck trying to sell it.


Obama just raised taxes on the middle class by the LARGEST amount in the history of this country! But, I mean, why pay attention to the facts, right?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Some people believe that Obama can do no wrong because they are such fanbois.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Some people believe that Obama can do no wrong because they are such fanbois.



The same could be said of Bush fans. I can remember seeing paintings of Bush standing next to Jesus in a religious store here. it was taking fanboyism to a new level.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Kaploink

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Some people believe that Obama can do no wrong because they are such fanbois.



The same could be said of Bush fans. I can remember seeing paintings of Bush standing next to Jesus in a religious store here. it was taking fanboyism to a new level.


You want to see "fanboi-ism" at a whole new level? Just peer over at ANY Obama supporter! These people are getting pissed on and Obama tells them it's rain - and they believe it! IDIOTS!



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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I call it PDS, or Presidential Derangement Syndrome. In which people absolutely and blindly worship the President or hate the President so much that he can do no right and can't be given credit for anything good.

All Presidents have them.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo


Obama just raised taxes on the middle class by the LARGEST amount in the history of this country! But, I mean, why pay attention to the facts, right?


The tax increases hit those individuals earning more than 200k a year or household incomes of 250k a year. Let's remember that the median family income in the United States is about 60k a year. Only about 1.5% of families earn more than 250k a year. They are not the middle class.

We can argue that it's a big tax increase, but it's not the biggest tax increase on the middle class.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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This article from Feb 2011 suggests the correlation of tax rates and GDP are nominal at best.


Regardless of which inflation-adjusted measure we use, the answer is still the same: Overall, the past 80 years show us a thorough lack of clear correlation between the top marginal tax rate and GDP growth. The data's closest hint of a relationship derives from the slightly more robust average GDP growth back when the top rates were higher, but that closest hint isn't close enough to be sure of an ideal rate. The notion that lowering the top tax rates improves the economy just doesn't hold water. Indeed, these 8 most recent decades show us that increasing the top tax would not necessarily have any impact on the economy, let alone slow it at all.

Chained to Real: Tax Rates, Inflation-adjusted GDP Measures, and the Difference





Perhaps we should look at the total amounts paid at the highest rates vs. the lowest rates and compare that to total tax revenues.

We also need to consider not only the rates themselves, but also the tax depreciation rates and other allowed deductions that would offset the total tax paid.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo

Yes, I see it... It says "As government has gotten BIGGER and as taxes and regulations have INCREASED, GDP has DECREASED. That is EXACTLY what it says. Thanks for supporting the claim that LOWER taxes and LESS government interference equals MORE GDP!!!


I guess the part that showed the tax rates for top income earners was cut off.
As the tax rate for those top earners came down so did GDP.

Deregulation has caused the problem we are in now.
The repealing of Glass Stiegal was the worst decision the government has ever done.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Something is wrong when WE have to pay for THEIR mistakes.
If they raise our taxes to make up for it, I think it is only fair that they should do without pay for the same period the new taxes are in effect.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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The GOP needs to stop whining like crybabies!! They're a giant bunch of hypocrites! Why? Because while they whine about Obamacare costing so much, they try to keep exactly those health provisions for their congress members. So while they don't want their constituents to have those benefits, they fight tooth and nail that they get those health benefits...

By the way: Funny how the tables you posted cut off their analysis of jobs growth in 2007...when effect the Bush tax cuts are still effect


What a dishonest "analysis"
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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Their strategy is to bring over the coveted Value Added Tax from Europe.

Tax the rich won't work and they know it.

They need to tax everyone. I hope this comes up during the debates.





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