What's good about Obama or Romney, WHY would you vote for either ?????

reply to post by seeker1963


And you see no candidate that wants to move in that direction?

Well...honesty and a willingness to take political risks for the betterment of the country is my principle measure.

Romney has less of a moral compass, he is more suited to be a tool. To some in the GOP, this is the reason they are willing to support him. They don't care if he lies, they don't care if he flip-flops, they don't care if he is an etch-a-sketch...they are confident he will follow marching orders of thier party once in office. He is "use-able"....even more so than Pres. GWB.

But to me that frightens the crap out of me...he will be used to further a plutocracey..

Gingrich

"He would say thing after thing after thing that just plain wasn't true," Gingrich said of the former Massachusetts governor in reference to last Thursday debate's on CNN. "I don't know how you debate a person with civility if they're prepared to say things that are just plain factually false.

"You cannot be president of the United States if you cannot be honest and candid with the American people," Gingrich said. "And that's compounded, frankly, by a number of the ads he runs, which are just plain false."

Santorum

“It really has to do with what your principles and what your core is. I have a core.... And that's a sharp contrast with Mitt Romney, who was for RomneyCare.... this is someone who doesn't have a core. He's been on both sides of almost every single issue in the past ten years.”

And these are his supporters!

In contrast....love it or hate it, President Obama took a huge political risk passing Healthcare Reform...the reason no one has done it in the past 30 years despite virtually every President promising to...is because it is politically costly. Pres. Obama placed his political future ambitions 2nd to the nations needs....we haven't seen that in a very long time.

That is why I lean Obama.

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

And you see no candidate that wants to move in that direction?

I actually know of two of em. But, being that they were not "selected" as one of our two "choices"..............How does that work again?

Real
Obvious
Nullification

Protection
Against
Unconstitutional
Legislature

No Obomney, NO!

Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
reply to post by Numbers33four

 

I agree, but apathy is what got us all here.
Not voting because the system is broke dosen't fix it, it only perpetuates the problem.

edit on 10-7-2012 by OLD HIPPY DUDE because: (no reason given)

While I see your points, I say see it from all sides. Apathy well indeed may have lead the path or moreso apathy to not understand or care who they are really voting for, buying into the scam NOW isn't going to correct it. Voting for one of the the 'lesser of two evils' or even the two party system candidate that you believe is good, in part leads to it all too. People with their supposed voted in "trustworthy" shiny new president thought everything was going to be okay, unbeknown to them that his strings were being pulled by the same people.

Obama and Romney pretty much the same, funded by the same. One will who was on the other side will Flip Flop to the other side when asked for! In the end presidents are selected not elected. The honest voting citizens of the US did not elect them.

The "proposed" solution, show them you do not approve of "much of the same". Will they care or want to change for that? No, but they damn well will be worried. If you do nothing at all, if you buy into their dog and pony show, they will fully continue.

reply to post by dreamingawake


THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU VOTE ! Enough morons that still buy into the two party illusion WILL elect one of the two choices offed to the people, NOT VOTING , will not change anything. TPTB have already reduced the number of voters with B.S. restrictions ,and now all you cry babys are not gonna vote? Boo hoo , I'm not gonna vote to protest.
The American people deserves their fate.
How many other partys are there ?
OH the two party illusion......ooooooooooooo.
Morons!
Let's turn on the MSM they tell us what to do and who to vote for.
Enie.. Meenie...ChillieBeenie the spirts are about to speak ! Shhhh !

obama vs romney record and donors


This guy has put together a bunch of stats and facts..... so read and tell me who is different

I am for the candidate who runs on a non - interventionist, foreign policy.
Sadly, once again we get to "choose" from either side of the washington war party, so my vote is for neither.

reply to post by crawdad1914


YEA ! That'll teach them !

Gosh what if everybody voted and didn't vote for Obama or Romney !
NAH ! That could never happen Americans only Know how to vote Republican or Democrat or just obstain.
And the beat goes on and on and on and on.

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


It will "teach them" as well as the people buying into the illusion of choice for the last 60 years or so, has taught them.

I have no illusion that we have free choice in this country. What I do know, is that regardless of who takes the oath next year, things will be no better and likely worse for the Average American.

It is amazing, and annoying that people still think they
have a voice when it comes to voting. Thats BS. I live in
the uk, and i have never voted. Why? because they are
all the same. They spend their time disagreeing with
eachother, rather than doing anything that is worth while.

Look at the power they have over us. In america you have
obama and romney. Both are clearly not what your countries
need, but people still vote for them! Its so bloody annoying
that people just cant see it! They fall for it every single time,
but still moan that their country is at breaking point

The media has a hold on most people, and what the media
say, people will believe.

Since Ron Paul admitted defeat, (sigh) I will be voting for Gary Johnson. He basically endorsed RP while on the republican ticket anyway. The establishment agenda can kiss my ass!

EDIT: Oh yeah, and there is clearly no difference between Obama and Romney. The establishment would just like you to believe there is. People need to wake the hell up!

reply to post by Wookiep


Hey Wookiep ! Wazup ?

Please post where R.P. quit Race or admitts defeat.

Ron Paul has my vote weither he wants it or not , 3rd party or write in !

Still voting for Paul again this year.

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


He didn't quit the race, he's still technically in it until the convention. There was an email sent out however, stating that he no longer has a chance to win and that the goal now is to plant the movement in the republican party. Then it went on to talk about being respectable blah blah blah at the convention etc.

Paul won't run as an independent, he's trying to shape the republican party, unfortunately.

I do apologize but I no longer have the email, I deleted it because it kinda made me sick lol. I still support RP, and really do hope a ruckuss gets started at the convention.. but when it comes to voting for the POTUS, the liberty movement needs to vote for the candidate (who supports the liberty movement) that is still trying to win and who will be on the ballot in November ie, Gary Johnson.

reply to post by Wookiep


I think everyone is waiting till the convention .
Ron Paul still has a good chance as a third party candidate .
Would make for a good 3 party debate Paul would convince alot more people.
Romney would have his finger up his *** and Obama would be sucking his thumb .

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


Oh I would love to see him run third party, but I think the chances of that are very very low.(if not impossible?) The libertarian candidate has already been picked. If he somehow runs on a third party ticket, I'll vote for him for sure.

i am Aussie but if i was voting it would be Obama, he is good at stopping ww3 and its important atm

Originally posted by Indigo5
Well...honesty and a willingness to take political risks for the betterment of the country is my principle measure.

Romney has less of a moral compass, he is more suited to be a tool. To some in the GOP, this is the reason they are willing to support him. They don't care if he lies, they don't care if he flip-flops, they don't care if he is an etch-a-sketch...they are confident he will follow marching orders of thier party once in office. He is "use-able"....even more so than Pres. GWB.

But to me that frightens the crap out of me...he will be used to further a plutocracey..

Gingrich

"He would say thing after thing after thing that just plain wasn't true," Gingrich said of the former Massachusetts governor in reference to last Thursday debate's on CNN. "I don't know how you debate a person with civility if they're prepared to say things that are just plain factually false.

"You cannot be president of the United States if you cannot be honest and candid with the American people," Gingrich said. "And that's compounded, frankly, by a number of the ads he runs, which are just plain false."

Santorum

“It really has to do with what your principles and what your core is. I have a core.... And that's a sharp contrast with Mitt Romney, who was for RomneyCare.... this is someone who doesn't have a core. He's been on both sides of almost every single issue in the past ten years.”

And these are his supporters!

In contrast....love it or hate it, President Obama took a huge political risk passing Healthcare Reform...the reason no one has done it in the past 30 years despite virtually every President promising to...is because it is politically costly. Pres. Obama placed his political future ambitions 2nd to the nations needs....we haven't seen that in a very long time.

That is why I lean Obama.

edit on 10-7-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

edit on 10-7-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

If you think Obama passed healthcare reform for the benefit of the "nations needs" then your dreaming. What the nation needs right now is a whole heck of a lot less government, not more of it! You lean Obama, your going to fall on your face. Nobody should be made to do something through an act of force in this country, and that includes paying taxes for not supporting socialist services. Obamacare stepped all over the constitution, and the supreme court helped circumvent the constitution in order to pass it. It should make any american sick to their stomach. And Romney won't touch the issue with a ten foot pole because his Romneycare laid the groundwork! And the GOP is still behind this guy? Do they WANT to lose?
I don't think the OP is going to get an honest answer from anybody on this. Although I really like the OP and it was a valiant effort, It is a lesson in futility. They are both equally terrible and nobody has a good answer. I am writing in Ron Paul. Everyone else is a crook. Its really sad when the mainstream media ignores the candidate for the people and hides him by blacking him out, but parades that we still have a 'choice'. Your right, I do.
It is L-I-B-E-R-T-Y!