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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 12:44 PM
reply to post by shadowland8

It's a bit difficult to say.

The "problem" with our understanding of quantum mechanics is that it is currently far out-pacing our "quantum-engineering."

We understand how the 'natural' world works very well. Or... we can at least create models that very accurately describe it (a bit of a philosophical difference - but I like to remind myself what we've really accomplished versus what we think we've accomplished).

The challenge is developing ways to get the natural world to do what we want it to do.

For example - in terms of quantum mechanics, we can describe how to detach a magnetic field from its source. Engineering a device to do what our computer simulation does (in an admittedly arbitrary manner) is a much more complicated ordeal.

In a model, we can inject various fields, forces, etc at will and see how it will affect a system. The problem is that we have only observed the existence of these fields and how they interact... we haven't necessarily made anything capable of emitting these fields or eliciting a high degree of control over them.

So, in theory - if we discover the Higgs, we could create a model of how to create a universal attractor or a universal repulsor ("gravity" manipulation... to put it crudely). The problem is that we will, more than likely, not have anything approaching the engineering capability to test or utilize that model/theory of operation.

And may never be able to (at least in anything's lifetime that bore witness to our own).

posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:36 PM
reply to post by Aim64C


Thanks for the explanation.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:10 PM
This is the headline

Proof of 'God particle' found

GENEVA — Scientists working at the world's biggest atom smasher plan to announce Wednesday that they have gathered enough evidence to show that the long-sought "God particle" answering fundamental questions about the universe almost certainly does exist.

But after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, aren't quite ready to say they've "discovered" the particle.

Instead, experts familiar with the research at CERN's vast complex on the Swiss-French border say that the massive data they have obtained will essentially show the footprint of the key particle known as the Higgs boson — all but proving it exists — but doesn't allow them to say it has actually been glimpsed.

It appears to be a fine distinction.

Senior CERN scientists say that the two independent teams of physicists who plan to present their work at CERN's vast complex on the Swiss-French border on July 4 are about as close as you can get to a discovery without actually calling it one.

No Proof once again

But just like the last time.
Close but "no cigar"
It cost around $10 Billion to build the L.H.C.
Who knows how much has been spent running tests, replacing faulty parts, and paychecks?

Yet at the same time this is allowed to happen:

Poor nutrition plays a role in at least half of the 10.9 million child deaths each year--five million deaths.

(Poverty and starvation is the key to this.)

Of course we all know how misplaced our ability to take care of the things that really mater is.

Why is this so damned important?
To me it is a waste of time,money and brain power that should be used to heal the "hear and now"

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Why is this so damned important?
To me it is a waste of time,money and brain power that should be used to heal the "hear and now"

Why are people having children they should have enough common sense to realize they cannot feed?

You could spend ten billion dollars feeding that section of the world each year.

The problem would be 'fixed' for about five to ten years, when those millions of kids started surviving and their parents kept having kids (and some kids started having kids).

Then you would be back to square one.

There really isn't much we -can- do for them, directly. Building stuff for them usually ends in warlords taking control of resources and using them to assert dominance. Keeping this same situation happening to aide is also difficult (and part of the reason for U.N. peacekeeping forces... oddly enough - wheeling food into starving people running around with AK-47s tends to create a trigger for violence.

It's a problem they are going to have to bootstrap their way out of. Progress can't be made until they are willing to live in a society that can be taught how to fish (so to speak). Giving them fish will do very little in the long run, and not solve the problem.

What can we do? Improve our understanding of technology to make things that make life easier and better for everyone.

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