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Now That I Think Of it, Why Does God Need Jesus If He is Omnipotent?

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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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First of all, Omnipotence means that he can do absolutely anything.

If he can do absolutely anything, then he didn't need to turn into Jesus and he didn't need Jesus to die on the cross.

He can just save our souls at his whim.

If he needs Jesus, he is not omnipotent.

Now does this invalidate Christianity? I don't think so, but it does need a revision. It only means that the message needs to change.

Of course that'll never happen. It's too ingrained.




posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Now does this invalidate Christianity? I don't think so, but it does need a revision. It only means that the message needs to change. Of course that'll never happen. It's too ingrained.


Many things are given false, when Father did not speak it directly, it is only assumed by the reader and writer. This will all change upon his return.

For the other items, Father can only answer as to why he set it up this way. Same could be asked for why does he need the angels, why does he need soldiers here to protect, etc.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Perhaps he/she felt the best way to connect with normal people was to walk among them as a 'normal' person?

Seems logical to me?
edit on 22/6/2012 by Grifter81 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
First of all, Omnipotence means that he can do absolutely anything.

If he can do absolutely anything, then he didn't need to turn into Jesus and he didn't need Jesus to die on the cross.

He can just save our souls at his whim.

If he needs Jesus, he is not omnipotent.

Now does this invalidate Christianity? I don't think so, but it does need a revision. It only means that the message needs to change.

Of course that'll never happen. It's too ingrained.


I believe the answer is that 'unrighteousness cannot go unpunished'. I don't know the verse or anything as I haven't picked up a Bible in forever. But Jesus was put there so he would be the 'sponge' of everyone's sins, and when he died, everyone's sin being in Jesus, and Jesus being punished, God was able to free man from sin.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Why do we have people with names like Mark, Luke, John writing in the bible when the names did not even exist at the time. The term Christianity originated long after the bible was supposedly written, so what was the name of the religion at first? Again I say Jesus and God are not one and the same. The bible was been highly revised and certain aspects have been removed and added, It's the modern religion of Babylon.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Because God created a perfectly imperfect humanity? He is using his infinite power to fix what he knew was broken from the beginning? Because in the grand scheme of eternity, it doesn't matter to him if he created something flawed?

Maybe God is omnipotent, but is not omnipresent.

I don't know. This is an age old question. Why would God create ANYTHING at all? Isn't any action the result of needs and wants? If God is perfect, why create an entire universe? So the creatures can worship the God? So God his extend his infinite love across creation? Why? Why would God need anything?

Why would god send his only son to redeem a planet that will be destroyed in the future? Why create creatures that will all die when the Universe dies, nay, when the stars run out of gas?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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God created man, so that there may be others like himself. As the angels do not have the same attributes as man does.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Grifter81
reply to post by EvilSadamClone
 


Perhaps he/she felt the best way to connect with normal people was to walk among them as a 'normal' person?

Seems logical to me?
edit on 22/6/2012 by Grifter81 because: (no reason given)


That is my logic as well. But it's all pointless given there is not a God but perhaps many and if not many then maybe none



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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If God is perfect, why did he create? Doing anything at all requires a wanting, a need, a necessity.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by SubPop79
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If God is perfect, why did he create? Doing anything at all requires a wanting, a need, a necessity.


How does being perfect, negate a need/want?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Because if you are perfect, there is no room for improvement, there is no reason for anything else. Why can't God be imperfect? Why does a God have to be omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent?

Also, please don't reply to just one question when I make a post that has many, all of which are tied together.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by SubPop79
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Because if you are perfect, there is no room for improvement, there is no reason for anything else. Why can't God be imperfect? Why does a God have to be omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent?

Also, please don't reply to just one question when I make a post that has many, all of which are tied together.


I do not answer questions in which Father will need to answer for himself. I am not about to get reprimanded because of this.

All of the qualities you have listed are drawn conclusions from man, taken from the accounts given in the bible. For him to describe himself, you need to speak to him. Others may come here to claim to give an account of him on these questions, but I cannot. But, I do understand your line of questioning.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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God used Jesus to paint a picture of Love. It was just the way to reveal His plan to conquer death and sin. If he had just said "you are forgiven" without the story, how many less people would comprehend or believe. Draw the story out too long and the cops think you're lying and they search your car.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
First of all, Omnipotence means that he can do absolutely anything.

If he can do absolutely anything, then he didn't need to turn into Jesus and he didn't need Jesus to die on the cross.

He can just save our souls at his whim.

If he needs Jesus, he is not omnipotent.

Now does this invalidate Christianity? I don't think so, but it does need a revision. It only means that the message needs to change.

Of course that'll never happen. It's too ingrained.



God doesn't need anything. Where did you read in the new testament that God was lacking in something?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Actually he does need many things, or he wouldn't create anything.

Period.

You only create because you have a need to create.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
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Actually he does need many things, or he wouldn't create anything.

Period.

You only create because you have a need to create.



Well if you believe God is in need of things because he "creates".. Then i can understand why you would have a hard time believing in that God.

p.s. God didn't create the world in the New Testament



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by rwfresh

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
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Actually he does need many things, or he wouldn't create anything.

Period.

You only create because you have a need to create.



Well if you believe God is in need of things because he "creates".. Then i can understand why you would have a hard time believing in that God.

p.s. God didn't create the world in the New Testament


The world in the NT and the OT are different? lol



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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A just judge cannot pardon freely people who are guilty. They would immediately not be a just judge, they would be corrupt. Imagine a criminal who was guilty of all kinds of crimes went before a judge and the judge just let them go freely if they asked for it, we'd go ballistic and scream how corrupt that judge was. God is the same, sin requires penalty and justice. Socrates understood God's predicament with forgiving sin on one hand and remaining just on the other:

"It may be that the deity can forgive sins but I cannot see how." - Socrates



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by mr10k

Originally posted by rwfresh

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
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Actually he does need many things, or he wouldn't create anything.

Period.

You only create because you have a need to create.



Well if you believe God is in need of things because he "creates".. Then i can understand why you would have a hard time believing in that God.

p.s. God didn't create the world in the New Testament


The world in the NT and the OT are different? lol


No but the Gods are. Have you not read them? " lol "



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by rwfresh

Originally posted by mr10k

Originally posted by rwfresh

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
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Actually he does need many things, or he wouldn't create anything.

Period.

You only create because you have a need to create.



Well if you believe God is in need of things because he "creates".. Then i can understand why you would have a hard time believing in that God.

p.s. God didn't create the world in the New Testament


The world in the NT and the OT are different? lol


No but the Gods are. Have you not read them? " lol "


Yes I have. I'm not christian, but most I know believe they are one in the same, despite their decisive actions. Honestly, I think they are two, but I say they are one because that's canon, I think.
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