Firstly, thank you for your time and replies. I wasn't sure how this discussion would turn out. After reading many post on ATS regarding science and
religion, I understand there are a great number of views and philosophies regarding both. there are those on both sides who see their position as the
only correct one anyone should believe. There are many who take the middle ground.
Let's take a look at some posts...
Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Religion = man-made fairy-tales.
Science = REAL facts and REAL evidence.
If "god" does exist, SCIENCE will help us gain a better understanding of it. While silly man-made religion will lead us in the OPPOSITE direction.
Very correct. The number of religions that are and have been are as numerous as the points of views that have ever existed. And that is why I can't
be religious as I see them as an opinion agrees upon by a group of individuals, well at least until someone changes their mind and starts a new
Originally posted by onthedownlow
reply to post by ObservingTheWorld
Very good argument, well organized and thought out. Several oversights, or at least I think so, that I would like to point out- science suggests that
the world was just slapped together, and science is by no means a set of rules, science is a measurement that, some believe, helps to make educated
guesses (even though some of the calculations are indesputable, even if it only be in our current form).
Thank you. However, I feel that even though the world was formed from the nebulous gases and other debris in this portion of our galaxy, it did so
following a specific set of rules. Even in chaos there is order.
Originally posted by DrChuck
Wrong! Denying God does NOT deny science. I have no idea where your getting this idea from...unless you can prove God exists or does not exist, it
does not belong in science. Science needs data to come up with any kind of conclusion, religion does not.
Just because you see how science can correlate with the Bible or God doesn't mean they are compatible.
By the way the Big Bang was theorized by a Catholic monk..,
I am a Christian...a Christian with many many unanswered questions, but the difference Christianity made in my life is irrefutable to me. But
"Gods" effect on my life can be nothing more than mathematical coincidence or something else entirely.
Actually, I said denying science denies God. Science may be nothing more than rigorous measurement of God's design. So if quantum physics is a
surprise to God, then God is not all knowing and all powerful, and in my view, not God.
However, if God is the ultimate creator, the quantum mechanics are His baby. Either He set the Universe in motion or He didn't. that's it.
This does not mean that God can't influence you in your life. Far from it. It just means that this world we live on runs by a specific set of
principles. Your relationship with God is between you and God. It is a personal thing that you share with Him, no math involved.
Originally posted by SpearMint
All this assumes that God is real and created the universe though. I could make the same thread and replace "God" with anything. You can't make
assumptions like that and claim science is God otherwise it's completely hypothetical and means absolutely nothing. That needs to be proven, not
assumed, then it's science.
Too true. It wouldn't shock me or surprise me if there were no God. What I am trying to say is if, and only if, there is a God, then the world we
live in was created on what we call scientific principles.
If those who claim a belief in God but then turn a blind eye to, well let's go back to gravity. If they say God had nothing to do with gravity, then
god is not God. However, if God include gravity in His blueprints, then He followed a set of measurable during creation. But as you say it is all
hypothetical and comes down to personal beliefs.
Originally posted by rickymouse
After studying the motives of science and the way evidence is obtained and translated I have lost my respect for it and question the intent of it's
evidence. I believe in god because I believe in structure that employs a direction of righteousness. I can't believe in anyone who says you need
proof that what you are personally seeing is real.
Here is where I got lost. Righteousness is a moral character, not a scientific one. And it is a character attribute that I wish more people followed.
Saying that one loses respect for science is like saying you lose respect for timekeeping or square foot measurements. Losing respect for scientists
would be a different matter.
Science help us understand the world around us. No matter our perspective, Gods rules are immutable and infallible.
Once again, thank you everyone.