Originally posted by Nathan-D
reply to post by mc_squared
The malevolent insinuations of intellectually-dishonest accusers like you, mc_squared, reflect badly only upon your own characters. Your persistent misrepresentation of skeptics in such ways as this is insulting to us. Beyond its obvious intent to demean us, it is also an aggressive and unwarranted attempt on your part to impose a false identity of your arbitrary invention and choosing upon us regardless of our true natures and characters. Your consistent, persistent and relentless misrepresentation of us as ‘denialists’ is a cruel and deeply cynical form of the denialism that you decry because it denies the truth of who and what we really are. It constitutes a wilful and vicious attack upon our very beings and as such it is the action of criminally-minded psychopaths who do not care what hurt and damage they may cause to their fellow human beings in getting what they want. You are mentally sick people, mc_squared. Your gratuitous insulting of us is just one symptom of your intractable and ultimately self-destructive mental disease. I won’t bother addressing your other allegations, as I’m sure I would just be banging my head against the wall of your party-script.
Originally posted by minor007
what you dont seem to understand is that while it correct we cant do much about the pollution, but by having a tax and making ppl pay for the pollutants they create it is hoped that the extra cost to their business would make them turn to other alternative sources where the cost of the co2 is much lower.......edit on 28-6-2012 by minor007 because: (no reason given)
Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire
Al Gore, the former US vice president, could become the world's first carbon billionaire after investing heavily in green energy companies.
Last year Mr Gore's venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.
The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.
The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.
It's amazing how smarmy climate deniers act when you're making all kinds of baseless claims about the political motivations behind the supposed global warming "cult", but how much you start kicking and screaming how unfair it is when the shoe ends up on the other foot.
You think it's scraping the bottom of the barrel to point out that Joanne Nova worked 5 years for Shell?
You obviously can't handle it. The desperate and agitated tone in your response says it all. I have facts - you have nothing but rhetoric and totally ignorant, deceitful blog science.
It is patently clear who the one in total denial here is.
One of the less publicized issues of concern about ‘global warming’ is the impact of higher levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide on the oceans. When it dissolves in water, carbon dioxide forms weak carbonic acid. Some of the extra atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolves in the sea. The scientific community has been modeling and monitoring this possibility for some time and it is now clear, the oceans are becoming more acidic. This has a direct effect on the marine ecosystems, and is especially significant in the Southern Ocean. The main impact is on the tiny plants and animals at the bottom of the food chain. Disrupting the food chain affects the whole Antarctic ecosystem up to, and including, whales. Gases in our atmosphere exist in equilibrium with the oceans, following a physical rule known as ‘Henry’s Law’. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is in equilibrium with the amount of carbon dioxide that is dissolved in the sea. In pre-industrial times ocean life generated excess carbon dioxide which was then released into the atmosphere to reach a balance. Today, this is not the case. With the increasing levels of carbon dioxide emitted by our fossil fuel burning society, more carbon dioxide is entering the ocean than is leaving it. The ocean absorbs about one million tons of carbon dioxide every hour, which is about ten times the natural pre-industrial rate. The oceans are a carbon dioxide ‘sink’ and this is believed to have acted as a ‘buffer’ that has slowed the rate of global warming. It is estimated that the oceans have absorbed about 30% of the carbon dioxide released by our industrial society. In the next 50 years or so, the oceans will be absorbing an increasing amount of the carbon generated by human society, especially if no changes are made to reduce that generation.
How We Know Global Warming is Real and Human Caused
Originally posted by Nathan-D
Has Joanne Nova 'worked' for Shell? The quote you gave us said that she accompanied a group of CAGW-skeptics that were affiliated with Shell. I'm sorry, but I don't see how that makes her under the employment of Shell. You seem to have made that bit up all by yourself as far as I can see.
Joanne spent five years touring Australia with Shell Questacon Science Circus. For her first full time job, she managed the half million dollar exhibition with a team of twelve.
Because every time I throw some inconvenient fact your way that disrupts the unwavering, downright ecclesiastic blind faith you demonstrate in your bad blog science, your shady sources, your specious reasoning skills - you simply deny it.
You NEVER come back with anything resembling a reasonable counter-argument.
owardly assertion that this evidence is just "part of the conspiracy".
Libertarian stooges with absolutely NO background in atmospheric physics who went outside with an infrared camera and got different results.
Real Skeptics are skeptical to ALL sides of an argument - not just whatever they deem to be the "mainstream" position.
Your track record on here is abysmal
Looks like you might actually learn something about skepticism for once!...Oh but let me guess - The Skeptics Society is just in on the conspiracy too, right?
Originally posted by minor007
I am not educated in the ways of how carbon credits work only the basic principal which i posted above. If the carbon credits is a scam to make money as you claim it is then I will be on your side with no doubt but as far as I am aware its a tax which goes to the government not individuals. However to say AGW is a scam is a nothing more than being blind to the obvious. AGW is real with real consequences if we dont do something about it.edit on 29-6-2012 by minor007 because: (no reason given)
Now I am confused You posted a link which clearly says Gore had invested in a company called Silver Spring Networks that produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient and by doing so create Jobs and strengthens the american infrastructure in which something has been lacking in the last several decades....And isnt he doing what any good capitalist should be doing?
Carbon Trade Exchange is a global electronic exchange platform serving both the regulatory and voluntary carbon markets
With over 145 members in 22 countries, Carbon Trade Exchange offers its members a trusted and transparent electronic marketplace for buying and selling carbon credits. CTX supports the trading of carbon credits that are originated under both the United Nations Clean Development Mechanism (CERs) and independent voluntary standards (VERs).
Reduce Your Carbon Footprint
RemTec is a proud member and Aggregator for The Climate Action Reserve or (Reserve); RemTec is a source and develops carbon offset credits that meet the requirements of the Climate Action Reserve (Reserve) Ozone Depleting Substances Project Protocol
Last February I speculated: Carbon Credit Trading, the next financial bubble to burst? That has now come to pass for U.S. markets with the collapse of the Chicago Climate Exchange.
Carbon credits allow industries to emit carbon dioxide above any cap & trade regulations imposed. The carbon market exists as a commodity only through the decisions of politicians and bureaucrats, who determine both the demand, by setting emissions limits, and the supply, by establishing criteria for offsets. It was a bubble waiting to burst. Unlike traditional commodities, which at sometime during the course of their market exchange must be delivered to someone in physical form, the carbon market is based on the lack of delivery of an invisible substance to no one.
Since 2005, when carbon trading was one of the fastest growing commodities, there was speculation that if the Obama administration passed cap & trade legislation, the market would grow to $3 trillion.
The Africa Carbon Credit Exchange (ACCE) is a leading African owned and managed marketplace uniquely designed to enable Africa’s participation in the global carbon markets. We provide innovative services and solutions to unravel the complexities of carbon markets and addressing the prevailing barriers to their success in Africa.
ACCE is unlocking low-carbon Africa by creating a reliable, structured and transparent trading platform for buying and selling compliance and voluntary carbon credits created in Africa – and in doing so, driving environmentally sustainable economic growth on the continent.
Originally posted by minor007
reply to post by Nathan-D
LOL omg MC was right you are intellectually dishonest. Yeah lets stick all our co2 into the oceans and kill off all life thats lives within it which will start a chain reaction of mass extinctions on land.
Originally posted by mc_squared
Your science is a fraud. Your sources are a fraud. And you are a fraud.
(Deal with it)
Nowadays, Jones, who is at the center of the "Climategate" affair involving hacked CRU emails, needs medication to fall sleep. He feels a constant tightness in his chest. He takes beta-blockers to help him get through the day. He is gaunt and his skin is pallid. He is 57, but he looks much older. He was at the center of a research scandal that hit him as unexpectedly as a rear-end collision on the highway.
His days are now shaped by investigative commissions at the university and in the British Parliament. He sits on his chair at the hearings, looking miserable, sometimes even trembling. The Internet is full of derisive remarks about him, as well as insults and death threats. "We know where you live," his detractors taunt.
Jones is finished: emotionally, physically and professionally. He has contemplated suicide several times recently, and he says that one of the only things that have kept him from doing it is the desire to watch his five-year-old granddaughter grow up.
'100 Percent Confident'
One of the conclusions of his famous statistical analysis of the world's climate is that the average temperature on Earth rose by 0.166 degrees Celsius per decade between 1975 and 1998. This, according to Jones, was the clear result of his research and that of many other scientists.
"I am 100 percent confident that the climate has warmed," Jones says imploringly. "I did not manipulate or fabricate any data."
His problem is that the public doesn't trust him anymore. Since unknown hackers secretly copied 1,073 private emails between members of his research team and published them on the Internet, his credibility has been destroyed -- and so has that of an entire profession that had based much of its work on his research until now.