Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by Masterjaden
I suppose you think that the TSA is legitimate and legal too???
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Not to get off topic, but the TSA is legal.
You have no legal “right” to fly, other means of transport are open to you. You additionally waive your rights via contract with the airlines when
you get your ticket.
The difference is between what you CHOOSE to do and what the government FORCES you to do. That's where you end up with things that violate your
Sometimes that line can be a very fine one, though.
For example, you have the right to move about the country, but Constitutionally that does not mean that you have the right to operate a motor vehicle
or even to fly as a passenger on an aircraft. You can CHOOSE other methods of travel, so these are not rights, but choices (privileges).
See the difference?
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
Here we go with more idiocy...
No you DON'T nor CAN you waive your rights...
Not for the government.
Yes, if I want fly on a private airline and I make an agreement with that airline to go with their service and THEY as a PRIVATE airline want to
enforce a policy, THEN and ONLY then have I agreed to fly under their rules.
That is NOT the case with the TSA. It is a government mandate that unequicably violates my fourth amendment rights, because the GOVERNMENT is not
allowed to search and seize me or my property without warrant based on sworn affidavit or probable cause.
So long as the government requires ALL airlines to do it and it is sworn officers of the government executing the policy it is a VIOLATION of my
They have no warrant and no probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and it IS a violation of my rights.
If there was the possibility for me to open my OWN airline and NOT implement those policies and it just so happened that all airlines had the same
policy AND it was not sworn government employees carrying out the policy, THEN and only THEN would it not be a violation of my rights.
As it stands the TSA is a violation of every citizen's fourth amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure and again, that there are any
pussies out there that think that the violation of our liberty is justified for perceived safety makes me SICK!!!!!!
edit on 6-6-2012 by Masterjaden because: (no reason given)