Will Europe Help America In WW3? Should They?

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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Oh believe me, I personally invited his input,but he hasn't posted yet




posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn


And finally, if a nuclear bomb is about to detonate ... I'd sure hope it would detonate, just above my own house ... it would be pretty neat, actually. The only safe zone, for miles.


Indicators of a delusion

The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient's social, cultural and religious background.
The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.



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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Because it wont start with China......they are good for posturing, but when it comes to having a brass pair of gonads.....thats not really China.

If anything it will kick off in the middle east first dragging Russia into a proxy war. Thats why......

Anything else that kicks off as a wild card and America would have no problem say....I dunno N Korea?

And your also forgetting about Indian interests as well....

Put simply, you would need one hellofa Navy just to get to Americas coast with a force big enough to gain a foothold conventionally. Logistically impossible for China at the moment. Russia would be the only one who could immediately pull it off. Still they got other problems than America right now. They're focused on NATO messing with Syria. Thats why Europe would be first...take out NATO, and America would be alone.

Still think it'd end up being a nuke war anyway because of those reasons.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by Jepic

That was a funny page. Russia even getting past the Eastern bloc is hilarious. Let alone the rest of Europe.

Or did you think we are in the dark ages where you could just start invading enemy lines without them knowing soon enough? This is 2012. The moment Russia invades even 1 mm into Europe, the soldiers would appear in breaking news headlines across Europe and the butt kicking would be on the way within the hour.

Tell me, how far can tanks travel in 1 hour?

Like I said, they wouldn't make it past the eastern bloc.


Funny page huh?... and Europeans call Americans arrogant... Your arrogance is very telling... Russia has a very modern military thanks to the billions of dollars given to them by the U.S. (the banker socialist/fascist elites) not to mention that Russia has many allies, including China, Muslim nations and some other former communist block nations. Not to mention that Russia alone has 1 million 954 thousand soldiers plus 47 million people fit for service. China has 2 million 250 thousand soldiers without counting the other fit for service Chinese.

Iran, Syria, and other Muslim nations would unite with Russia and China, and together would most than probably kick Europe's behind meanwhile some idiots laugh in their ignorance thinking they are invincible...

BTW, the first wave of attacks would not be with tanks, but with aircraft, and missiles. But I am sure in your ignorance, and arrogance you are going to laugh claiming how your nation alone can destroy the entire military from the Russians and the Chinese...



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Not to mention that Russia alone has 1 million 954 thousand soldiers plus 47 million people fit for service. China has 2 million 250 thousand soldiers without counting the other fit for service Chinese.


Hi ElecricU


Meanwhile, the vast majority of those troops have not seen combat unlike NATO nations troops nor do they have combat experienced Reservists and Vets, again, Like NATO countries have.

Just saying is all


Iran, Syria, and other Muslim nations would unite with Russia and China, and together would most than probably kick Europe's behind meanwhile some idiots laugh in their ignorance thinking they are invincible...



I have yet to read anybody make the "Invincible" claim.
Must be your own interpretation of their comments.



BTW, the first wave of attacks would not be with tanks, but with aircraft, and missiles


If I'm not mistaken I think NATO also has Tanks, Aircraft and missiles too.


But I am sure in your ignorance, and arrogance you are going to laugh claiming how your nation alone can destroy the entire military from the Russians and the Chinese...


Has that been claimed yet?
Just curious. Or was that your interpretation of what you think they would say but haven't said it yet? But when and if they ever do they sure would be arrogant and ignorant.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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One thing people like you are unaware of is that all of China's cargo ships are dual purpose and owned by the CCP.


China is busily building a fleet of the largest container ships the world has ever seen. That is a boon for its export trade and economic efficiency. But like the Trojan Horse of ancient Greek civilization, the fleet could potentially be used by China in a spectacular, lightening invasion of Taiwan. Could the hollow hulls and empty decks of Chinese container ships carry infantry and mechanized divisions for a devastating attack on Taiwan, securing the island before the U.S. could respond?

The thought of mammoth Chinese container ships carrying an amphibious invasion force across the Strait of Taiwan is certainly frightening. But the capability for just such an invasion is slowly being put in place.
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www.americanthinker.com...

China's container ships, and pretty much all of their ships are considered as dual use, not only for civilian purposes but also for military purposes.

You add to this the help from the Russians, and Muslim nations like Iran and Syria and they are pretty much unstoppable when they decide to take over Europe.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You add to this the help from the Russians, and Muslim nations like Iran and Syria and they are pretty much unstoppable when they decide to take over Europe.


So, Let me get this straight.

"When they decide to take over Europe"?

Now how would that sound if you heard somebody post

"they are pretty much unstoppable when NATO decides to take over Russia, China and the Middle East"



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Hi ElecricU


Meanwhile, the vast majority of those troops have not seen combat unlike NATO nations troops nor do they have combat experienced Reservists and Vets, again, Like NATO countries have.

Just saying is all


Do you forget the Afghanistan war in the 1980s when the U.S.S.R. invaded Afghanistan? Or the Kosovo war? The Russian military has seen it's share of wars and do have combat experience not to mention the fact that they train as much as the U.S. military does, and they have conducted several combat exercises alongside Chinese forces, and some other countries.


Originally posted by SLAYER69

I have yet to read anybody make the "Invincible" claim.
Must be your own interpretation of their comments.


You obviously missed the thread from the following member.



Originally posted by Jepic

That was a funny page. Russia even getting past the Eastern bloc is hilarious. Let alone the rest of Europe.

Or did you think we are in the dark ages where you could just start invading enemy lines without them knowing soon enough? This is 2012. The moment Russia invades even 1 mm into Europe, the soldiers would appear in breaking news headlines across Europe and the butt kicking would be on the way within the hour.

Tell me, how far can tanks travel in 1 hour?

Like I said, they wouldn't make it past the eastern bloc.




Originally posted by SLAYER69

If I'm not mistaken I think NATO also has Tanks, Aircraft and missiles too.


Yet the combined forces of the Russians and the Chinese alone surpases that of NATO, and the Russians and the Chinese have many other allies including some Muslim nations like Iran, and Syria.



Originally posted by SLAYER69

Has that been claimed yet?
Just curious. Or was that your interpretation of what you think they would say but haven't said it yet? But when and if they ever do they sure would be arrogant and ignorant.


Again i point to you the arrogant response from the UK member Jepic.


Originally posted by Jepic...
Like I said, they wouldn't make it past the eastern bloc.


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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Like I said MOST of those troops have not seen combat. Referring to the former Soviet era troops who lost in Afghanistan that does not instill much confidence. Training is good, I suppose, but let's move on..

I'm still waiting to read the "Invincible" quote and why would somebody's overly "Bravos" reply seem to bother you more than say the replies in this thread screaming for the Nuking of NY or Los angeles?

Just curious



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

So, Let me get this straight.

"When they decide to take over Europe"?

Now how would that sound if you heard somebody post

"they are pretty much unstoppable when NATO decides to take over Russia, China and the Middle East"



You actually think most of Nato member nations are as ardent allies as they used to be?

Many of them would not want a war with Russia, or China.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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I'm still waiting to read the "Invincible" quote and why would somebody's overly "Bravos" reply seem to bother you more than say the replies in this thread screaming for the Nuking of NY or Los angeles?

Just curious


I didn't read any responses from anyone screaming for the nuking of NY or Los Angeles. Anyway, unlike some other people I would not underestimate Russia, China and their allies.

For many decades now "public opinion" in western nations decide the fate of wars, whether a war should continue, or end, and unlike the Chinese and the Russians, Europeans are not as ready to see tens of thousands of their own people die, and imo many European nations would give up like they did to Hitler's forces. some of them even united with Hitler.

In these modern times not even most Americans would be willing to see the death of tens of thousands of our own people, and would rather give up and come under some compromise if the invading forces are as big as the combined forces of the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Syrians, and other allies.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
unlike some other people I would not underestimate Russia, China and their allies.


Agreed

Sun Tzu Said...

Never under nor over estimate your enemy. Consider them as your equals. If they are your equals then they can be defeated.

The Art of War...

But that goes both ways.

No?


For many decades now "public opinion" in western nations decide the fate of wars, whether a war should continue, or end, and unlike the Chinese and the Russians, Europeans are not as ready to see tens of thousands of their own people die,


Is that why Russia pulled out of Afghanistan or China back in 1979 after being in Vietnam only a few months when the Vietnamese started making them pay for China's invasion to "To teach Vietnam a lesson"?


and imo many European nations would give up like they did to Hitler's forces. some of them even united with Hitler.


True, I am not going to defend those who did join Hitler. They should. However, Millions did fight and Millions died

No?


In these modern times not even most Americans would be willing to see the death of tens of thousands of our own people, and would rather give up and come under some compromise if the invading forces are as big as the combined forces of the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Syrians, and other allies.


Probably true but again Millions of us would fight.

Also and no offense but, adding "Syria and Iran" as part of that mix just cheapens it. Trust me, It sounds scarier and more impressive if you just said "Russian and Chinese"

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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You actually think most of Nato member nations are as ardent allies as they used to be?

Many of them would not want a war with Russia, or China.


That's not what I asked.


Originally posted by SLAYER69

So, Let me get this straight.

"When they decide to take over Europe"?

Now how would that sound if you heard somebody post

"they are pretty much unstoppable when NATO decides to take over Russia, China and the Middle East"



I asked how would it sound to you if somebody wrote what you did but only worded in the reverse? I asked since you were so quick to jump on somebody who wrote something just as inflammatory earlier.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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Interesting premise.The very idea of a "Europe" as if was some long time entity rather than a geographic location of fueding states that generally prospered due to unprecendented imperialism It was largely the U.S. that provided the opportunity for this entity, "Europe" to even exist and you label the U.S. enemies??

It looks like the Euro-zone collaspes without U.S support.....Enemies??

If one compares the "rap-sheet" of the U.S. and Europe's, Europe has been a bigger blight for the rest of the world than U.S. by a huge margin. LOL. I can think of numerous U.S. contributions to the world to go with their "sins", Yet, I draw blanks in seeing any significant benefit the Europe has given the world outside of smart emmigrants....



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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China doesn`t have to go to war with america to knock them off their perch as a superpower, all china has to do is to stop funding america and america will collapse.
china holds enough american currency and bonds that they could bankrupt america merely by stop buying bonds and cashing in the one`s they already hold.
If china stopped funding america, america wouldnt be able to afford to maintain their military or pay for all those high tech battlefield toys they seem to love. tanks,planes, ships, etc dont run without fuel,and unless the saudis will accept I.O.U`s from the american military, the american war machine will come to a grinding halt if china stops funding america and demands repayment of it`s debts and worthless american bonds.

I think america has proven that they are no longer moral enough to be a superpower,corruption and greed drives their decision making.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by Tardacus
China doesn`t have to go to war with america to knock them off their perch as a superpower, all china has to do is to stop funding america and america will collapse.
china holds enough american currency and bonds that they could bankrupt america merely by stop buying bonds and cashing in the one`s they already hold.
If china stopped funding america, america wouldnt be able to afford to maintain their military or pay for all those high tech battlefield toys they seem to love. tanks,planes, ships, etc dont run without fuel,and unless the saudis will accept I.O.U`s from the american military, the american war machine will come to a grinding halt if china stops funding america and demands repayment of it`s debts and worthless american bonds.

I think america has proven that they are no longer moral enough to be a superpower,corruption and greed drives their decision making.


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has anyone here read the communist manifesto? They are as patient as Job when it comes to stuff like this. And they aren't stupid. Why run down the hill to boink one cow, when you can walk down the hill and boink em all??

Granted China could disguise a container ship full of chinamen, yet I do not think they would actually make it far enough to gain a foothold in a invasion of america if that was the case. As far as Islam taking over Europe? Aren't they already culturally? History has proven that there is nothing conventional about fighting a muslim country. The fact that they are already scattered throughout Europe should give you a heads up. More so than the USA.

When you cowtow to a alien culture for the sake of being PC, you wind up giving up the farm. This is socialism which is the going theme in europe atm. And Russia...well.....they are hard to pin down most times as you cant really tell where a russians motivations lie.

Either way, America would first have to lose the leg it stands on, which is Europe...China, Russia, Iran..they know this. Because America is more vunerable without them in the way to offer support.

How many bases do we have over the pond? In the middle east? Africa? Asia? now Australia? All strategically placed like a game of risk. No one can match that currently. Thats not to say that the crappy stupid insignifacant UN and their european police force wont drag America into a war eventually.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Indicators of a delusion



You're the one who is delusioned, a delusional moron ... who forces the rest of us to live under constant terror of dictators, and mass murderers.

And to think everyone else is "delusional" or "sick", because they do not agree with you or have a different opinion that you do ... now, that's what I call insanity.

The only real terrorists of this world, are the 5 superpowers. They created this weapon, and believe me, they should have this weapon shoved up their hiney ... and it's better to face the music now, than to let our children and childrens children inherit our sins.

www.documentingreality.com...

Nobody is blind about the consequences of radioactivity, it's well documented ... but the fact remains, that the only nation in the history of the world to do this, is the United States of America. And it doesn't stop there, it continues ... on 9/11 4 thousand people died in the United States, which they responded with by waging a war on the entire planet ... there war on terror, is more a war on terra. Because of their hatred for the rest of the world, the following has occurred ...

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These children die, because of cowards like you ... that allow mass murderers like the Americans, to rule the world through terrorism ... Because their "holding" nuclear weapons, and their use of Depleted Uranium shells, is terrorism ....

And because of people like you, defenceless children in some third world country have to face countless terrors, of this nature. The US and it's allies, Russia, Britain, China, Sweden ... selling weapons to murders from here to timbuktu. Because cowards, like you, thinks its better to have the poor part of the world ... those "defenceless", to face the terror ... than to deal with it.

Sooner or later, this "terror" is going to knock on our doors ... it's not a question of "if", but a question of when ... and I despise people, who "allow" these horrors to occurr in the third world, because they themselves are too afraid to take the terrorirsts head on. It's better to have the children face it, huh? Or maybe you think, those children are merely "collateral damage"? And that, you'll be able to negotiate with the terrorst 5 (or 8, however you want to look at it), before it actually comes to your door.

That's cowardice ... courage, is when we stand between you and those defenceless children.

And there is a great lack of such courage these days ... because the entire world, allows the US and it's allies, to bully anyone ... because they are afraid of these weapons.

This isn't a game, and unless it's dealt with ... the bully is just going to be bolder, and bolder. Yesterday, he made up lies about weapons of mass destructions. Today he decides to remove the second amendment, and tomorrow he'll remove whatever other amendment. The bully isn't going to stop bullying ... the murderers aren't going to stop murdering. Abu Grahib, isn't the end zone ... because the bully will only learn how to "stop" news of Abu Grahib to escape to the public. He won't learn not to commit these crimes ... because this bully is just as "convinced" of his "godliness" as any insane man is. He's fighting his battle because he is "right" ... because the general American public, think they are the "only" people on earth "capable" of handling this weapon. They consider the rest of the world, to be bad and evil ... those are the thoughts of insanity.

These 5 insane nations, aren''t going to back down ... and only a coward, let's the problem just go away and have his or her, children or childrens children, or coming generations, face the problem.

Let your children inherit your sins ....
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Not for nothing, but dont throw all of under that bus. I detest them thar weapons as well. I didnt vote for a war so that my country men could be obligated to go about and kill people.

I dont remember the POTUS asking me if it was ok to shell the crap out of *insert your country here*.

having tasted war i will only say this.....it is the last act of a political body losing its grip on its percieved stance and its people. Blame the banks that fund these wars, blame the corporations that turn a profit from death.

But do not blame me for being complicit when the action on my part simply doesnt exist. I agree with most of what you said but not all. And until these rich corksuckers get ousted from office and you change the paradigm in which humans operate.

Im afraid your going to have to come down off the cross and realize that ALL of us are stuck with this senerio, not just 3rd world countries.

Would Europe choose to help the USA? Maybe, maybe not. In the end, does any of this really matter? nope.

Because only a fool would be cheering and entertaining the notion for war, and it is most certain that said fool has never experienced it first hand to understand that even mentioning it implies something truly vulgar. Either way you look at it, when it happens...we will all eat our words.

i dont really want a war, what i want is a pole shift...now thats my kind of party.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
It looks like the Euro-zone collaspes without U.S support.....Enemies??


You can look at it historically, if you want ... Europe is Hellas, and USA is Rome. Yes, Hellas was a country of fueling states, which rivalled and warred all the time. But it is/was precisely because of these rivalries, that Athens, Sparta became the powerful and known entities that we know them for. These rivalries, are the basis of evolution ... and ... if we continue the anology, it wasn't until the "Macedonians" (Alexander the Great) (Hitler? Napoleon?) came that these rivalries became overwhelming, and it became a war of the worlds.

In reality, it wasn't until the "making of the US of A", and the idea that you had a "new world", where you could create a new rome, and wage war on the old world, that these "rivalries" became larger. Only then, did we start to have people like Noble arise, with the idea of "creating a bomb, to make people fear the bomb". Or the idea of "One war, to end wars". And this idea "one war, to end wars" ... isn't even German to begin with.

I don't know if this metaphor of mine, hits a home run or not. But basically, what you had in Europe was the fact that people discovered the "new world". And their idea, was and is, to make Europe the old world.

Historically speaking, US is Rome and Europe is hellas ... and we're re-living this evolution in fast forward. The US of A is about as desirable, as old Rome was. And the idology that Rome builds itself upon, is the old Greek philosophy ... which will eventually cause the splitting of the empire into east and west ... or, more precisely that's where we are already. You got New Rom (US) and New Constantinobel (Moscow) ... and then you have the old world (Europe and the Middle East).

That's what the word NWO is referring to. Except in this NWO, the Chinese have been led to believe they are a part of the new world as well ..

So, YES AND YES AND YES ... the United States is the Enemy, as is Russia ... and unless China changes colors and starts to realize it too is part of the "old world", so is China.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by GrandHeretic

Would Europe choose to help the USA? Maybe, maybe not. In the end, does any of this really matter? nope.

Because only a fool would be cheering and entertaining the notion for war, and it is most certain that said fool has never experienced it first hand to understand that even mentioning it implies something truly vulgar. Either way you look at it, when it happens...we will all eat our words.

i dont really want a war, what i want is a pole shift...now thats my kind of party.



War is vulgar, and it's vulgar to see these children suffer from the words of liars ... and it's vulgar to know, that the same person who lied about Mai Lai, went into the UN and lied about WMD so that the US could go to Iraq and murder more children there.

That's vulgar ...

But, what is far worse than war ... is the fact, that nobody does anything about it. What is worse, is to see some minor idiot from Yogoslavia being hanged for some minor civil conflict, that we created in the first place, while big people like GW or his personal Dickie, go about as nothing has happened.

What's worse than war, is to see people think it's ok and then going to streets and singing peace songs. Such peace songs, are an insult to these deformed children, and the victims of war. They're an insult to the 50 million peole in Europe, that sacrificed their lives, so that we could have liberty. The very liberty, that we seeing our very own government piss on.

This isn't a time, to sing peace songs ... this is a time for Anger. It's not a time for anger management. It's a time for outrage ... it's not the time to take a pill, nor is it a time to sit on a couch with Dr. Freud. It's not a time to say, Abu Grahib is ok ... we're all a little gay ANYWAY.

In this case ... GAY IS NOT OK.

It's the time to stand up, and tell the superpowers ... that their weapons of mass destruction will not guarantee their safety over us. It's the time to tell the superpowers, that we DO NOT MAKE DEALS WITH TERRORISTS.

That's what the time is ... but unfortunately, in my mind ... far too few, can tell the time.

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