Apollo 15, Jim Irwin's historical narrative in review

reply to post by Vitruvian

"Weighing in at approximately 460 pounds (209 kg) (Earth weight) when deployed on the Moon, the LRV carried a total payload weight of about 1,080 pounds (490 kg), more than twice its own weight. This cargo included astronauts and their portable life support systems (about 800 pounds (363 kg)), 100 pounds (45 kg) of communications equipment, 120 pounds (54 kg) of scientific equipment and photographic gear, and 60 pounds (27 kg) of lunar samples."

Your grand total sure changed quick all that fuss


what do you claim now, errr ohh yeah 1535pounds total

denver22
I requested that you do your own math - you were also requested to make your own determination as to whether or not the LRV was loaded, empty, with or without one of the astronauts etc., etc. 1,080 was merely a figure I gave for you to begin - i.e., to figure it out for yourself.

Please don't hold others accountable for your own mistakes and failures - particularly in the areas of basic arithmetic and physics.

Research wise - I am willing to help you out again by giving you a little "jump start" (see below), but this is the last time. Please do your own research.and you will learn that there have been different weights assigned to the LRV by various sources.

This is a portion of my earlier post that was accidentally erased

From here -->
Encyclopedia Astronautica
Apollo LRV
www.astronautix.com...
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Weighing about 208 kilograms (457 pounds), Earth weight when deployed on the Moon, the LRV could carry a total payload of about 490 kilograms (1,080 pounds), more than twice its own weight. The payload included two astronauts and their portable life support systems (about 353 kilograms; 800 pounds), 45.4 kilograms (100 pounds) of communications equipment, 54.5 kilograms (120 pounds) of scientific equipment and photographic gear, and 27.2 kilograms (60 pounds) of lunar samples.

reply to post by Vitruvian



737 / 6 = 122.833333 which goes into 123 pounds .

Noticed your buggy weight has gone up again lmfao
Anyway minus the astronauts the weight to lift would be what i gave you.

reply to post by Gibborium


You are experiencing confirmation bias. Jones said, (quoting now from your correspondence),

Who knows? I also note that he or she also removed the real mountains on the right . I'm guessing that made a better space for the title.

That means he doesn't know and he's guessing.

Earlier in the thread I had sketched out an Apollo conspiracy theory that involved the Apollo 15 crew and a Florida stamp dealer named "Herrick Herrick" who just happened to be a retired movie director. I thought to myself, How odd that stamp dealer had the same initials as Howard Hughes! And he's a retired movie director - just like Howard Hughes!

Now I've got something more solid to show you. A real connection between the Apollo astronauts, Howard Hughes money and the stamp dealers. Let this sink in for a moment.

Howard Hughes was a known CIA front. This is exactly how a CIA front would operate. Hush money paid to astronauts, through the stamp deals, for their participation in a labyrinthine hoax.

This article reveals a startling relationship between Howard Hughes money and the Apollo astronauts.



news.google.com...

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Howard Hughes was a known CIA front. This is exactly how a CIA front would operate. Hush money paid to astronauts, through the stamp deals, for their participation in a labyrinthine hoax.

So you're saying that billionaire Howard Hughes bought the astronauts' silence for a mere $7,000 each? Why did they decline to take the money after it was discovered? Why didn't they make millions by revealing the truth?

Originally posted by DJW001
So you're saying that billionaire Howard Hughes bought the astronauts' silence for a mere $7,000 each?

Nope. I didn't say that at all. I established a money connection between HH and the Apollo astronauts using stamp dealers as the method of financial transfer.

Why did they decline to take the money after it was discovered?

Because they got busted, that's why.

Why didn't they make millions by revealing the truth?

Astronauts were selected for loyalty. They were set to make millions anyway - by selling autographs, auctioning trinkets, books, movie scripts, top dollar executive positions in major companies, sweet business deals, exclusive contracts with Life magazine, etc.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Astronauts were selected for loyalty. They were set to make millions anyway - by selling autographs, auctioning trinkets, books, movie scripts, top dollar executive positions in major companies, sweet business deals, exclusive contracts with Life magazine, etc.

Then why would Hughes need to pay them a measly $7,000?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Why didn't they make millions by revealing the truth?

Astronauts were selected for loyalty. They were set to make millions anyway - by selling autographs, auctioning trinkets, books, movie scripts, top dollar executive positions in major companies, sweet business deals, exclusive contracts with Life magazine, etc.

and according to decisively, selling second hand chrysler cars..... yep extremely glamorous.

oh and p.s. did they all get these perks?? i mean every single one of them?? including back-up crew?

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Astronauts were selected for loyalty. They were set to make millions anyway - by selling autographs, auctioning trinkets, books, movie scripts, top dollar executive positions in major companies, sweet business deals, exclusive contracts with Life magazine, etc.

Then why would Hughes need to pay them a measly $7,000?

You really want to concentrate on that $7,000??? The amount is not the issue.

The real issue, that you wish to avoid, is the Apollo connection to Howard Hughes money.
Take a look at Al Bishop. Google his obituary. He worked for Hughes. He worked on SAINT.
Bishop said he was friends with the astronauts and he had the world largest space collection in existence.

"Friends", indeed.

He's paying off astronauts with Howard Hughes money.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

You really want to concentrate on that $7,000??? The amount is not the issue.

Then why bring it up? Are you familiar with the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? That's all you've been doing on this thread.

en.wikipedia.org...

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, you keep saying the astronauts got chosen based on their "loyalty." Alan Shepard was bumped from Apollo 13. Had he been disloyal somehow? Then he flew on Apollo 14 a few months later. Had he done something to prove his loyalty after all? Please provide some sort of consistent evidence that loyalty was a, erm, decisive factor.

reply to post by DJW001


We are never going to agree on this...
Alan Shepard was diagnosed with labyrinthitis.
Alan Shepard was grounded for 6 years.
Alan Shepard becomes a millionaire due to his skillful investments.
Alan Shepard had secret experimental surgery.
Alan Shepard has miraculous 100% recovery.
Alan Shepard pretends to go to the Moon.

If I were Dr. Charles Berry I would have said to Shepard "Sorry Shep, the risk of your implant exploding in zero G is too great. You can have your flight status back but you are not cleared for space."

That would be the most sensible thing to do.

Originally posted by DJW001
Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, you keep saying the astronauts got chosen based on their "loyalty." Alan Shepard was bumped from Apollo 13. Had he been disloyal somehow? Then he flew on Apollo 14 a few months later. Had he done something to prove his loyalty after all? Please provide some sort of consistent evidence that loyalty was a, erm, decisive factor.

Shepard cannot be bumped from Apollo 13 because he was never appointed for Apollo 13. Get your facts straight.

As you recall, Deke and Shep called Washington D.C. (George Mueller en.wikipedia.org...(NASA) ) who made the Apollo crew decisions. Deke Slayton did not make the decisions. You need to admit this fact because it comes straight out of Shepard's mouth in that interview he did a few months before he died of leukemia.

We have evidence of Mueller and Slayton consulting with Stanley Kubrick, too.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

You really want to concentrate on that $7,000??? The amount is not the issue.

Then why bring it up? Are you familiar with the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game? That's all you've been doing on this thread.

en.wikipedia.org...

My instincts were right. I connected Apollo astronauts with Howard Hughes money. My conclusion is that Howard Hughes (CIA) was financially connected to NASA Apollo astronauts.

Harold G. Collins, Chief of the Mission Support Office at KSC, mentioned that a Justice Department investigation was already "in full swing".

The $7,000 is only the tip of the iceberg.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

If I were Dr. Charles Berry I would have said to Shepard "Sorry Shep, the risk of your implant exploding in zero G is too great. You can have your flight status back but you are not cleared for space."

That would be the most sensible thing to do.

Is that based on your two decades of experience in aerospace medicine?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

My instincts were right. I connected Apollo astronauts with Howard Hughes money. My conclusion is that Howard Hughes (CIA) was financially connected to NASA Apollo astronauts.

You showed that somebody knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody who was somehow connected to Richard Nixon. Over and over again. Yet you cannot explain why 500,000 people built, tested and flew equipment capable of landing on the Moon, launched several expensive Saturn V in full view of the world, yet somehow avoided actually landing on the Moon. You have also not explained why none of the hundreds of special effects artists, prop builders, scene painters, gaffers, lighting technicians, model builders, etc., have ever broken silence. Were they bribed with $7,000 in stamps, too?

reply to post by DJW001


Now your strawman arguments are getting more and more ridiculous because I connected the Apollo astronauts with Al Bishop and Harold G. Collins, NASA's Chief of the Mission Support Office at KSC, and Howard Hughes money.

So far in this thread we have seen:

Jim Irwin's miraculous recovery from the plane crash, hypnosis and memory loss.
The free Corvettes. (perks and payoffs for Apollo astronauts).
The Howard Hughes (CIA) connections.
Sample Bag 196 (the missing Genesis Rock on Wednesday night).
And the Apollo 15 Tv press conference at 270:21 MET has no floating objects and was omitted from the timeline!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Jim Irwin's miraculous recovery from the plane crash, hypnosis and memory loss.

Hypnosis?

The free Corvettes. (perks and payoffs for Apollo astronauts).

America was a Capitalist nation at the time.

The Howard Hughes (CIA) connections.

Some guy knew a guy who knew a guy who once worked for one of Howard Hughes many companies....

Sample Bag 196 (the missing Genesis Rock on Wednesday night).

It was not missing, it was scheduled to be opened on Friday, remember?

And the Apollo 15 Tv press conference at 270:21 MET has no floating objects and was omitted from the timeline!

A typo? You call that evidence? You still haven't explained this:

Originally posted by DJW001
Some guy knew a guy who knew a guy who once worked for one of Howard Hughes many companies....

Not just an ordinary guy, this is Al "I possess the largest space collection in existence" Bishop, is deeply connected with the secret space programs of the early 1960's.

Even though Al was a very public, hospitable man, he was also a private man. Al had a very long successful career and many of his friends say he lived 10 dream lives. He served his country in the Korean War and was well known for his marketing and promotions. He began his career in Omaha, NE with General Dynamics putting Atlas missiles in silos. In 1962, Al came to RCA's defense company to work on the SAINT, Satellite Inspector Program, in Burlington, MA where he was transferred to the Cape/Cocoa Beach area. While at the Cape in 1965 he worked for RCA's involvement in the Saturn/Apollo program and established a public relations office there.
After the Apollo Program, Al joined the Hughes Corp. in Las Vegas, NV as a public relations director for the Howard Hughes corporation. After the departure of Hughes, Al served as public relations director for Wayne Newton and later was vice president of the Sahara Casino/Hotel for many years. Source www.legacy.com...