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Originally posted by Sinny
I thought it was already decided they were right wing???
Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by BioSafe
Go far enough right or left and they end up becoming the same thing. Communism is considered far left and Fascism is considered far right. Stalin and Hitler had a hell of a lot more in common than they had different in terms of how they ran their states and treated their people. Stalin killed a hell of a lot more of his own people though.edit on 31-5-2012 by Mkoll because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by Leftist
I am curious...why did you create this thread? You have stated that you are a communist...are you a nazi too? and if so...why?
Originally posted by SrWingCommander
reply to post by Leftist
Overall, you are correct (can't beleive I am saying that to a communist). I like the "four square" model as well, a bit more accurate.
However; i would say the main reason some are now describing the Nazi's as leftist has to do with (as you mentioned) the "socialist" part of "national socialist". While Nazi'a certainly are on the right side of the paradigm, within the third reich there were significant parts of German society that were socialist leaning. The german "workers' were key to the reich, and had to be kept pacified, lest they convert to communists, Hitler's enermy. However; within several policies within Germany there were several aspects that were deemed socialist (they could be summed up as ("a chicken in every pot, a volkswagen in every garage" policies, in which all Germans (workers and soldiers especially) would have a basic standard of living that the government supported. That's straight from socialism.
That also transends over to today. When you look at both administrations they take equal campaign money from corporations (although the coorporations ideology is often a factor in what funds are received by whom), and the current left administration is part and parcel in with the corporations (GM, Solindra). Same thing Hitler did. In some ways Hitler played both the corporations ideologies (right-usually) and the workers ideology (left) against each other in a manner where both served the Reich. While slave labor was used (ultimate in corporatism) German workers would get standard wages and benefits (socialism). Some commentator's (Glenn Beck being one) are making similiar comparisons to the current administration, and pointing out the leftist sides of Nazism are being used in somewhat similar fasion today.
Most of my poltiical science professor's (which happens to be my degree) beleived the left right paradigm was largely obsolete, and when you get to the extreme ends of the line (fascism/communism) you end up with totalitarian states either way, they just had different starting ideologies. And that's bad, whether it's fascism, communism, or some sort of anarchism.
Most of my poltiical science professor's (which happens to be my degree) beleived the left right paradigm was largely obsolete,
Originally posted by Leftist
reply to post by Germanicus
You are also correct! If you read Hitler's book Mein Kampf (Which I have - I can't be an anti-Nazi without understanding the enemy's mind), he devotes a lot in the early part of the book to his hatred of Communism and Unions. The hatred when he talks about these is palpable, it floats off the page like a foul stench.
The difference is also apparent in the cultural aspect, which is more than skin-deep: Nazis are Nationalists, masculine in aesthetics, traditionalist, racial supremicists, social Darwinists, social elitists, and religiously inclined to the mystical/occult. ALL of this is EXPLICITLY rejected by Communism. These are all extremes of right-wing values.