Freedom watch: Not a single Democrat voted in favor of ending FDA raids on raw milk farmers

I still say that if Rand Paul wanted to make raw milk legal, he would amend the laws pertaining to raw milk, and NOT the code regarding the FDA's office of criminal investigation. They need their authority to police and arrest illegal and counterfeit drug manufacturer's, stripping them of their authority because he doesn't like how they arrested a couple raw milk farmers is insipidly stupid.

Change the raw milk laws, and if a state wants to keep it illegal, then that is the state's right. If having raw milk is that important to you then get a da** cow or goat.

Originally posted by alfa1

As I've mentioned a number of times on ATS, I am in favour of
1. The truth. Which is why I dont like the "popular" version of the Monsanto cafeteria story.
2. The belief that "GMO" is a very wide multitude of different technologies, unfortunately lumped into the one name. There may come a time when real evidence shows some of these technologies are dangerous, and some are harmless. I will support or reject each one on its own merits.
3. And FYI, although not employed or linked to the GMO industry in any way at all, I do have a Uni. degree majoring in Genetics and Molecular Biology so I'm somewhat familar with the details.

In January 2011 a food security initiative was led by 17 global companies across the food/ag sector, including: Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland, BASF, Bunge Limited, Cargill, The Coca-Cola Company, DuPont, General Mills, Kraft Foods, Metro AG, Nestlé, PepsiCo, SABMiller, Syngenta, Unilever, Wal-Mart Stores Inc., and Yara International.

So who is testing the multitude of "technologies" the multitude of companies have turned loose on the populations of the world with no evidence that they are harmless, much less helpful in overcoming "food insecurity"? Who will risk their career to tell us which ones are harmful? Those "inside the industry" with "all the right credentials" know up front if they claim harm is being done they'll be marginalized, villified and stripped of their credentials with the kind assistance of these corporation's best friends in MSM.

We all know unlimited human testing goes back much further than 2011 and right now the only nation that ranks lower than the US in food security is Romania, they beat us out by a hair.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
This is a HUGH conflict of interest, and it should NEVER be allowed to have "former" Monsanto people holding any positions of power over seeing food and drug regulation...just seems so obvious to me.

Agreed.

Good. So I'm hoping you can tell us WHY these corporations feel they must infiltrate congress and the regulatory bodies in order to force their products upon people who don't want them. Also, why are GM farms allowed to successfully sue organic farmers when genetically modified seeds infiltrate organic crops? Where are the unbiased judges?

I was pleased to learn this morning that both Indiana and Illinois have introduced resolutions to the AMA to support federal requirements on labeling GM foods. The AMA will release their decision in mid June, however I don't have much hope they'll do it because the system is skewed in the favor of big ag and big corps.

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Absolutely so well said Frazz. I have never been to Illinois or Indiana, but I gotta say Illinois has a wonderful Senator that had a "meltdown" recently, a great thread going on here right now on the him. He apparently went "balistic" when they were given a 200 page bill, 20 min. before the vote....anyways gotta go now....will add more later on this.....

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Yeah, that WAS an historic meltdown in Illinois yesterday. I got the gist of it but couldn't understand all of what he said. He sure had some passion going, though, and from the responses I've seen, it was communicable. We need to see a lot more of that.

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We have covered a wide range of topics in this thread, and while organic farms are near and dear to my heart, the main thing that attracted me to this thread, and I guess my overall message or "feeling" is how disillutioned and heartbroken I am to learn everything I ever believed about our government, our country and reality in general is at great RISK, and in harm's way.

Nothing new to many of us here on ATS, but here's the thing that absolutely "kills" me...my very cool, close, funny, smart, political family, for the most part is not willing to "break" from the Democratic party. My parents especially are so stuck on " those bastard Republicans" are the corrupt greedy ones in this world. They will concede to a point, that Ron Paul is not your "average" Republican, and a man of his word, but to them, he is "nut job", that wants to outlaw abortion and overturn all the "wonderful" programs the Democrats fought so hard for.

Maybe it is a "generation" thing, I don't know...they absolutely refuse to investigate the facts outside of MSM, and these are NOT stupid people, they follow politics in thier own way, through CNN, CSPAN, New York Times, etc., etc. they worked hard in thier lives, never took welfare or any other government handout, well I guess other then social security as they both are over 65 now.

Here's the CRAZY part, my parents don't like abortion, who the hell does, it's an awful, awful thing that anyone with a heart would agree should be avoided, and not taken lightly. Pro-choice should be about if I choose to have sex, lol, and let's face it, most of us are sexual, I'm not going to get pregnant if I don't want a baby. Dr. Paul has delivered babies and cared for women much of his life...so his perseptive is very personal I would think. I recently had to go and buy the "morning after pill" for someone very close to me. It was a total hassle to get, through a pharmacy, and one pill costs almost $60

Everyone wants to scream about abortion one way or the other, but "mistakes" happen and the morning after pill should be easy to get and affordable IMHO, and would solve this whole debate and problem. Why aren't more people mad that this "drug" isn't readily available? To me it's just another example of" stuck on stupid"...why can't people just get to the heart of the matter?

LOL, anyways, rant over...my new term is I am having a "Illinois Bolt moment"....I gotta go make fruit salad for my Dad's B-day party....which is actually very funny if you knew the "rowdy" crowd coming this party given by his billard buddies...but dammit we're going to have some fruit salad there! Have a great day....

Taking away our freedoms is the only truly bipartisan thing going on in DC.

Both sides are complicit.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
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We have covered a wide range of topics in this thread, and while organic farms are near and dear to my heart, the main thing that attracted me to this thread, and I guess my overall message or "feeling" is how disillutioned and heartbroken I am to learn everything I ever believed about our government, our country and reality in general is at great RISK, and in harm's way.

You bet, we've been all over the page on this topic, but in my mind all of these issues are so intertwined that there's just no way to boil it all down to one specific point and not look outside of that narrow view for the bigger picture. That may confuse my thought processes in some ways, but as far as I can tell, the only way to get to the source of a problem is to figure out how, when, where and why all of the separate links interconnect. So thinking about this farm raid issue just from the standpoint pharmaceutical / medical / ag companies and how they collude with regulatory agencies like FDA doesn't really get to the source of the problem because they're also connected with even stonger controls, like commerce and taxation. Of course when you get that high up the food chain its easy to become convinced that its too big to tackle and that's depressing as hell.

My parents were pretty successful business people so they gravitated from the democrat party to republican fairly early, but Dad also knew that the parties are one and the same when it comes to dirty politics and that neither the left nor right has ever had a serious interest in our well being or they'd regulate themselves and their big time corporate buddies more, and us less.

As I noted earlier, I'd wish to have my Dad in on your game because he was such a pistol when it came to flushing out government corruption and shining lights on their pecadillos. Of course the level of corruption was NOTHING compared to what we're seeing today, but he was a political activist long before anyone had ever heard that term and I guess he gave me a kind of a head start on it. My Mom was a gentle soul and I'm sure all of his "pot stirring" gave her ulcers. God, I miss them.

On the abortion thing ~ I once knew a gal who used pennyroyal for a natural abortion. Scared all of us half to death and I probably wouldn't recommend that to anyone, but it worked out okay for her and she had no problems from it. The Indians had natural ways of handling birth control, too, but that's the whole extent of my knowledge on it.

Have a great party!!! Enjoy your parents while you've got them.

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They miss you too Frazz....you are a testimate to what wonderful parents you described.....♥ Clearly you inherited your Father's wisdom...and your Mom's heart.....and there's no doubt in my mind that they are in "heaven" looking down, with big smiles, saying that's "our kid"...

Yes, everything is so intangled, one road leads, where the other road ends...lol...or something like that...in the past few mns have been a pretty active poster on ATS, and it's amazing how "full circle" it all becomes...for me the "big question" is now becoming..." Ok Shar, now that you know, what are you going to do about it?"

What are my motives? What is "worth" fighting for? My Dad's party was fun...lol....when he pulled out his guitar and started singing " Peaceful Easy Feeling" by the Eagles,,,lmao and this whole crowd of about 30 people started singing along with him, and I'm talking "biker" folks...very cool people actually....and they "Love" my Dad...who as I said earlier is basically a liberal, who was a "health food" freak, musician, wouldn't get a tattoo to save his life, BUT he is some kind of billard "Guru" which he will tell you is because of a "wasted youth" lol, he's a Pittsburgh boy ( as is Ron Paul ) who wanted to be a "star"...and actually he is and was...married my Mom, brought her to CA...and I was born in Hollywood....and I have been crazy ever since....

Seriously though, I was out of my elimate tonight, lol, although I am Irish, so can "go with the flow"....but after we all ate...wonderful meal...lol...fruit salad enjoyed too...a bunch of us were sitting out in this beautiful yard talking..lol...these were "bikers" with a few bucks...anyways they started talking politics, which of course interested me...but I layed low, and just listened...it was so encouraging to hear how tuned in to reality many of these folks where, several Ron Paul supporters...I just sat back and smiled, looked at the beautiful moon...and thought...this is what's worth fighting for......I was happy......

this might have been said already.... i didn't read all 7 pages. rand paul just added an AMENDMENT to a bill. has anyone read the entire bill?? saying that all democrats don't like liberty is just plain bonkers. it might have been a crap bill and wasn't it and FDA funding bill that the amendment was attached to?

Originally posted by pasiphae
this might have been said already.... i didn't read all 7 pages. rand paul just added an AMENDMENT to a bill. has anyone read the entire bill?? saying that all democrats don't like liberty is just plain bonkers. it might have been a crap bill and wasn't it and FDA funding bill that the amendment was attached to?

No one has said all democrats don't like liberty. No one has even said that MOST democrats don't like liberty. Where did you get that idea?

FUNDING is where "its" at. Take away their money and what happens? Of course we know defunding bills of any kind will always get shot down, not because republicans or democrats will lose if they pass, the only losers would be a few at the top who have no loyalty to country, party or people, only power and control.

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An example of FDA sitting around googling porn while the big boyz reap the gold:

Saturday, June 2, 2012Consumer Alert: BPA-Free Goods Still Contain Toxic Bisphenol
Sayer Ji, Contributor
Activist Post

Breaking new research indicates that manufacturers throughout the world who were using the toxic hormone-disrupting chemical bisphenol A (BPA), have simply switched to an equally toxic analogue in the same bisphenol chemical class known as bisphenol S (BPS), to evade regulatory oversight and trick consumers with their misleading "BPA-FREE!" labels.

www.activistpost.com...

Originally posted by frazzle
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An example of FDA sitting around googling porn while the big boyz reap the gold:

Saturday, June 2, 2012Consumer Alert: BPA-Free Goods Still Contain Toxic Bisphenol
Sayer Ji, Contributor
Activist Post

Breaking new research indicates that manufacturers throughout the world who were using the toxic hormone-disrupting chemical bisphenol A (BPA), have simply switched to an equally toxic analogue in the same bisphenol chemical class known as bisphenol S (BPS), to evade regulatory oversight and trick consumers with their misleading "BPA-FREE!" labels.

www.activistpost.com...

Whenever any "head way" seems to be made there is always a "twist" that renders any progress, in this case "BPA-Free" labeling ,meaningless. I was shocked how many products contain this toxic substance that's almost impossible to avoid having contact with. Do the CEO's of these companies sit around and laugh, saying to one another " Those fools wanted (BPA) free products, we'll just substitute (BPS), give them there damm labels...problem solved...who would like a scotch and cigar? "

Clearly they are beyond any true intentions to solve the problems thier products may cause, and want to maintain "business as usual", and are willing to outright decieve the public. Any success the people may achieve through the court system is a joke, a drop in the bucket to the profits they will continue to make, while now "exempt" from any "burdens" of any future lawsuits against them, as we were discussing in another thread ...just soo obscence...sigh...

Originally posted by MountainLaurel

Originally posted by frazzle
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Whenever any "head way" seems to be made there is always a "twist" that renders any progress, in this case "BPA-Free" labeling ,meaningless. I was shocked how many products contain this toxic substance that's almost impossible to avoid having contact with. Do the CEO's of these companies sit around and laugh, saying to one another " Those fools wanted (BPA) free products, we'll just substitute (BPS), give them there damm labels...problem solved...who would like a scotch and cigar? "

Clearly they are beyond any true intentions to solve the problems thier products may cause, and want to maintain "business as usual", and are willing to outright decieve the public. Any success the people may achieve through the court system is a joke, a drop in the bucket to the profits they will continue to make, while now "exempt" from any "burdens" of any future lawsuits against them, as we were discussing in another thread ...just soo obscence...sigh...

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Yup, they just tinker with the poisons and play the name change game. The eugenicists are hitting us from so many different directions now you almost have to think they've completely opened the throttles on their killing machines.

People who say "if you don't grow it, don't eat it" are absolutely right, although I'm not all that sure I would want to survive to watch all the trusting and the unwary people dropping like flies from the frankendiseases these bastards have cooked up for them. But the more people who can be made aware, the better, otherwise they'll get away with it and there won't be anybody left to sue them anyway.

Thank you for what you said about my parents, there were never any better!! Of course there's no bias there.

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Unfortunately I fear your correct Frazz, it seems on ever front the blatant disreguard for people's rights, health and quality of life is under a full attack. It seems every reasonable attempt by the people to use the law, the written word, alternative media / internet, the voting process, grassroot efforts, etc., is "twarted" and unstoppable.

I agree with you, I don't know that I could bare to wittness mass death through illness and/or violence...however I have had to confront "bullies" in my life...which usually has ended up "not so good" for me....broken, bruised or heartbroken...but I wouldn't change standing up to them...but it's not easy.....difficult to remain rational.

It does scare me that the more we confront these "bullies" the harder they are going to fight back and unleash thier "horrors" in full force...I know we don't have a choice but to keep the presure on and confront them, but I fear the worst, while praying for the best....

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Speaking of bullies, I received this in my email from Offthegridnews.
www.offthegridnews.com... (main website)

GMO corn.

According to F.W. Engdahl, an American-German freelance journalist, historian, and economic researcher, one long-standing project of the U.S. government has been to perfect a genetically-modified strand of corn. This variety of corn was field-tested over ten years ago, and according to the president of the small bio-tech firm in charge of that project...

"We have a hothouse filled with corn plants that make anti-sperm antibodies."
Taking antibodies from women with a rare condition known as "immune infertility" and isolating the genes that regulated the manufacture of those antibodies, they inserted them into the corn plants, creating, in essence, a biological weapon for population control.

And who was helping to finance this endeavor? The Gates' Foundation (which includes the Buffet Foundation) and the Rockefeller Foundation, through a project called The Alliance for a Green Revolution, headed by none other than former U.N. Chief, Kofi Annan. Major GMO agri-businesses are reported to be at the heart of AGRA, using it to spread their GMO technology throughout the Third World. According to Engdahl, "Gates and Buffet are major funders of global population reduction programs." Included in this unholy alliance is Ted Turner, who thinks that a 95% reduction in global population to around 300 million would be "ideal."

And remember, the Rockefeller Foundation has been involved in eugenics and genocide since it began funding the eugenics research in Germany in the 1920s and well into the Third Reich. (Seeds of Destruction, F.W. Engdahl.) The Rockefellers backed the forced sterilizations and racial purity ideology of Hitler's Germany.

But how does a Third World program affect us in western civilization? More specifically, how does it affect us here, in the United States?

Shortly after the introduction of GMO corn into the U.S. in 1996, birth rates began falling. Since 1999, birth rates have plummeted even faster - just three years after GMO corn was introduced into the food supply.

GMOs, according to scientists interviewed for the film Science Under Attack, have been known to cause smaller brain size, lowered immunity, organ damage, and infertility in animals fed biotech food. Does this correspond to the 20% rate of infertility occurring in our population today? That's a good question. Unfortunately, agri-giants and our government are suppressing the answers.

Since 2008, the U.S. government has opposed a national effort to label GMO foods. They upped the ante by trying to suppress GMO labeling anywhere in the world, by using Codex, the U.N. arm that seeks to regulate every food, mineral, and herb in the world used for consumption. However, this effort has stalled because Codex doesn't look at GMO created products as "food."

However, Codex does place these products into a special category that can be utilized in alternative applications. (Like birth control, maybe?)

Genetically engineered corn, soy, cottonseed oil, and canola oil are the most processed foods in the United States. These foods have NEVER been tested for safety in human consumption... even though animal studies show severe organ damage, spontaneous abortions, and sterility when consumed.

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Yes, I am aware of most of what you posted, lol, it's too bad not more people are still in this thread because the information you shared is very important to understand, it's all so much more complicated then just GM foods "might" not be good for you, which is as far as MSM will go on the subject,

Dr Oz actually did a show to debate GM foods with a small panel of other doctors and scientists, although he never came right out and said, don't eat them, it was clear to me he didn't like them, and 2 of 3 on panel didn't like them, I was surprized Monsanto was actually mentioned by name as "contraversial" and they put up quote from Monsanto saying some "generic" response, but declined to come on the show. I saw the show on-line, and did hear talk it may have been "yanked" from the air, but I don't know for sure? I think Dr.Oz was able to pull off a "smooth" move getting the show done and aired at all, he used thier "tricks" and pretended to have an un-biased debate, but he had to know GM foods were going to be shown in an unfavorable light, and Dr.Oz himself said they "avoid" them in his home.

The "heart" of this beast is no doubt a small group of Royal,elite families that are absolutetly "insane", can you imagine the arrogance it must take to decide and actually carry out an "agenda" that involves mutated food supplies "designed" or at least "known" to cause harm and sterility, is to be "aggressively" being pushed? Why?

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
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Yes, I am aware of most of what you posted, lol, it's too bad not more people are still in this thread because the information you shared is very important to understand, it's all so much more complicated then just GM foods "might" not be good for you, which is as far as MSM will go on the subject,

Dr Oz actually did a show to debate GM foods with a small panel of other doctors and scientists, although he never came right out and said, don't eat them, it was clear to me he didn't like them, and 2 of 3 on panel didn't like them, I was surprized Monsanto was actually mentioned by name as "contraversial" and they put up quote from Monsanto saying some "generic" response, but declined to come on the show. I saw the show on-line, and did hear talk it may have been "yanked" from the air, but I don't know for sure? I think Dr.Oz was able to pull off a "smooth" move getting the show done and aired at all, he used thier "tricks" and pretended to have an un-biased debate, but he had to know GM foods were going to be shown in an unfavorable light, and Dr.Oz himself said they "avoid" them in his home.

The "heart" of this beast is no doubt a small group of Royal,elite families that are absolutetly "insane", can you imagine the arrogance it must take to decide and actually carry out an "agenda" that involves mutated food supplies "designed" or at least "known" to cause harm and sterility, is to be "aggressively" being pushed? Why?

Yeah, we' ve been abandoned. So now we know what it feels like to be orphans.

I'm not at all surprised that you already know all of this and a lot more. It just seemed like a good idea to again remind people that NO one is raiding these guys mega farms. And Ron Paul's idea of shutting down this useless regulatory agency scares the crap out of people. They could be throwing their guts up from e coli or salmonella they acquired by eating FDA approved asparagus or lettuce, but dammit, they say, we NEED that agency to ~ keep us safe from bad food.

Arghhhh.

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Even understanding how corrupt the FDA is, to the point I would support closing this agency as Ron Paul suggests, it is a big leap. Having said that, I understand why people are concerned of having no "regulation" on food safety at all, yikes ? I think we would need to adopt some sort of local inspections of some sort, not surprize raids, or "hostile" intent, but regular inspections that keep everyone "honest", so to speak. This would only be farms selling food to others, not private family farms.

Having any "honest" inspection of large GM farms would still be near impossible, but would get the FDA out of the picture in terms of harrassing small farms, and stopping Monsanto and Co., from using the FDA as thier private "hit team"

How do you see things working without the FDA? Maybe we can come up with some ideas on how to help people make the transition and feel safe. Would it be a law, the "honor" system to label foods at all if not required by FDA? I'm not sure how that works, or should work? What are some ideas?

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
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Even understanding how corrupt the FDA is, to the point I would support closing this agency as Ron Paul suggests, it is a big leap. Having said that, I understand why people are concerned of having no "regulation" on food safety at all, yikes ? I think we would need to adopt some sort of local inspections of some sort, not surprize raids, or "hostile" intent, but regular inspections that keep everyone "honest", so to speak. This would only be farms selling food to others, not private family farms.

Having any "honest" inspection of large GM farms would still be near impossible, but would get the FDA out of the picture in terms of harrassing small farms, and stopping Monsanto and Co., from using the FDA as thier private "hit team"

How do you see things working without the FDA? Maybe we can come up with some ideas on how to help people make the transition and feel safe. Would it be a law, the "honor" system to label foods at all if not required by FDA? I'm not sure how that works, or should work? What are some ideas?

You bet, that's a major concern ~ who would be responsible. It really looks as if no one is very responsible now and that needs to change. I certainly agree that local inspections should be set up and regulated by the states, not that there aren't still concerns that THEY would be any more responsible than the feds.

But if federal subsidies for factory farms disappeared and stiffer mandatory penalties were set for farmers that sold contaminated food, I'd venture to guess that they'd all be a little more careful than they currently are about their growing, production and manufacturing methods.


USDA needs a cattle prod to their hindquarters, too. NO MORE ABUSE to the animals they oversee or its hoosgow time for them and the farmers they let slide by!!

Those are just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

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Yeah, I think that makes the most sence, to regulate food safety, and actually almost everything at local and state level. It certainly makes the "regulators" who ever they may be, more accountable to thier imediate community....things have become so "dilluted"...lol, and stupid........I want a "specific" person, or small group of people available to address the concerns myself or others may have, without ANY nonscence.....God knows this isn't going to be easy.....

I no longer live in LA, but visit my Mom there....and something just popped in my head about the resturants there....they do some thing where they give them "ratings" A B or C....I think this is done by health dept., I'm not sure? Anyways, from what my Mom told me, it really helped to clean up "sleezy" or dirty resturants in her area...lol...they have to put in thier front windows if they are A, B or C......and it worked...either B and C cleaned up or they went out of buisness...just that simple.......