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Democrat Hypocrisy on Full Display…Another Non-Issue by the Left
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Beanskinner
It is my opinion that if women could magically make as much as men overnight, our
economy would be better off.
So in your mind this IS the most important issue we face AND the cause of our economic troubles??
Seriously?
Women are beautiful and hard working just like the rest of us, I like women
Me too, and I’d like to see men and women paid equally but that’s not the most important issue we face. Let’s pull the bus back off the edge of the cliff and get back on the road before we worry about how comfortable the passengers are.
edit on 24-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)
>> Our country can walk and chew gum at the same time. I've heard excuses for NOT ending wars, for NOT bringing justice to oil companies, for NOT indicting bankers -- often, they are "How can you do X when there is so much Y?" Let's kick X in the pants and throw Y in jail, OK?
Not the most important issue we face -- sure. But justice is justice, and there is no good excuse for doing the wrong thing. Kids getting molested? Throw the priest in jail. Money missing due to speculating on derivatives? Re-new Glass/Stegall act. Women not getting the same pay for the same job? Pass a law and allow people to sue -- oh, and make sure MEN can take time off just like women, because we raise kids too now -- that should settle the BS about women getting pregnant so they don't get the pay.
Seriously, the only thing complicated with all the problems America faces are the excuses for why we have to put up with them.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Beanskinner
Just to point out, Obama is no friend to the auto industry or manufacturing industry.
He's looking out for unions.
Not the aspect that hiresand actually creates jobs.
Not neccesarily defending Obama because I frankly don't like him that much, he's just better than the alternative...but...
I prefer that the leaders look out for the people more than they look out for the corporations. At the same time, the corporations do need some attention in order to keep employing the people, but they shouldn't be making grand profits and paying their CEO's extravagant amounts while laying off the workers. That's how companies used to go out of business in the "good old days".
I'd prefer a president that took a hands off approach to business altogether.
Nothing good comes from the intervetion of government.
That would be fine if people were intelligent, but, for the most part, they're not. To quote a movie that puts it pretty simply "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it". The involvement of government has to be proportional to the stupidity of the citizens. Overall, we're getting dumber, not smarter. I'll go as far to exclude ATS members from that overall average because at least the people here are trying to do something, even with differing ideas of what should be done, but the public at large is just downright stupid and somebody has to take care of the idiots
This is the funniest thread I've read on ATS ever. Well maybe really it's been only 5 minutes. Love reading how scared the right-wing is of losing
relevance in the American political system.
Originally posted by indigo21
If you believe in the betterment of women, then you should oppose regulatory attempts to increase their wages because in doing so you will hurt them.
Forcibly increasing the wages of woman guarantees an increase in the unemployment of woman.
The question is, why do woman earn less in the first place? It's because they cost more to employ. They can fall pregnant and statistically they become ill more often than men. They offer less of a return on investment.
So why would an employer ever invest in female staff? Because they earn less. So if you take that away from them, they lose the edge, they lose the job entirely.
The best thing we can do for woman is to deregulate labour laws. Allow woman to freely take on individual worker's contracts to give her the edge over male counterparts. Empower women by allowing her to sign contracts that ensure her not falling pregnant, and/or taking less sick leave then what a man may be offering. Only then will she earn the same as a man and have a job.
that's probably one of the most sexist, self-righteous things I have ever read
Just because a woman takes off for childbirth doesn't mean she's less valuable or capable of doing a job! How do you think we get children anyway? I know I don't want to give birth, do you? You can't claim to be for family values and heterosexual-only marriage out of one side of your mouth then say something like this out of the other side. You need to put value on the opposite sex if you intend to make any progress. Let me guess, you're not married, perhaps never were, but if you were, you're now divorced and probably really upset that you have to pay alimony or child support of any kind. I honestly can't imagine any woman in her right mind that would want to be married to someone with those views. Note, I did day "in her right mind", I'm sure there's somebody out there who enjoys being a doormat or isn't too bright and would put up with it, but not anyone I'd want to be involved with.
Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by seabag
So it's ok for women to be paid less than men for doing the same job?
This is only a non-issue if you think women should be home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. If women only listened to the right then they would know their place.
Hey seabag ever hear of something called equal rights? You know it's that little thing the right hates.
What i think the OP is trying to say is though this issue is important there are far more important issues which
deserve our attention but the politicians are not allowed to quibble about these other issues! Issues like the environment, debt problems, the biase media, the reserve banks controlling our money supply, the destruction of our rights, profits over people and many more! these issues are far more important because they will decide our future!
The wage imbalance between sexes can be chaged after we get these more important issues fixed though
I fear this will never happen because the majority allow the media to shape what they believe should be priority.
We are a nation controlled through fear, disinformation, hypocrasy and lies! In my eyes if we continue to ignore
as we have we will have far more things to worry about then a 30% wage gap! I would love to see equality for all
races, religions, sexes and nations! Hopefully we will someday but the truth is we have to get this wasteful machine called capitalism under control or we will all be unemployed, hungry and homeless! Goodluck all of you with justice and equality in their hearts!
reply to post by buster2010
I think you fail to realize Seabag's response. This is important but not the most critical. If you try to fix this the house of cards starts to tumble. I understand women deserve equal pay for the same work and some do get it. However, no one is holding her to a job. She can leave for more pay like any man does. If he or she is comfortable than it is their issue. Let the law makers focus on the more critical issues like security and commerce. We as a people are not paying attention to the signs of a failing systems. You are too wrapped up on your agendas or sheeple being sent to the slaughter. Focus on the major things and allow stuff like this to work itself out is all i see. This to me is just like gay rights. The gay friends i have could care less about the word marriage. They care about the basic need to be able to share with another legally the right to a union. Is that so hard? I welcome responses and keep it above the waist! LoL. God bless and be safe this holiday weekend!
I think you fail to realize Seabag's response. This is important but not the most critical. If you try to fix this the house of cards starts to tumble. I understand women deserve equal pay for the same work and some do get it. However, no one is holding her to a job. She can leave for more pay like any man does. If he or she is comfortable than it is their issue. Let the law makers focus on the more critical issues like security and commerce. We as a people are not paying attention to the signs of a failing systems. You are too wrapped up on your agendas or sheeple being sent to the slaughter. Focus on the major things and allow stuff like this to work itself out is all i see. This to me is just like gay rights. The gay friends i have could care less about the word marriage. They care about the basic need to be able to share with another legally the right to a union. Is that so hard? I welcome responses and keep it above the waist! LoL. God bless and be safe this holiday weekend!
Originally posted by LAKOTAWINS
reply to post by buster2010
I think you fail to realize Seabag's response. This is important but not the most critical. If you try to fix this the house of cards starts to tumble. I understand women deserve equal pay for the same work and some do get it. However, no one is holding her to a job. She can leave for more pay like any man does. If he or she is comfortable than it is their issue. Let the law makers focus on the more critical issues like security and commerce. We as a people are not paying attention to the signs of a failing systems. You are too wrapped up on your agendas or sheeple being sent to the slaughter. Focus on the major things and allow stuff like this to work itself out is all i see. This to me is just like gay rights. The gay friends i have could care less about the word marriage. They care about the basic need to be able to share with another legally the right to a union. Is that so hard? I welcome responses and keep it above the waist! LoL. God bless and be safe this holiday weekend!
Oh, well that settles it. If one gay person who you happen to know doesn't care about marriage, that means that none of them care about it. They must have discussed it in their weekly meeting they have on Wednesday nights while the rest of us are either at church or playing bingo. Everybody knows that all gays are completely identical and don't think or live as individuals like us "normal" people do.
Glad that's all cleared up.
Not one but a couple of these fine human beings that happen to be very close friends. I do not have statistics on the rest do you? I would love to see
you analysis for my research. Kidding of course. I merely state what i encounter. Most straight couple do not even want to marry. They are happy being
together. So again not a major issue and should be allowed to work itself out. However, gays should allowed to enter civil unions and have the same
basic rights as straights like insurance and wills. It is a basic humane right. Just my 2 cents. God bless.
Originally posted by LAKOTAWINS
Not one but a couple of these fine human beings that happen to be very close friends. I do not have statistics on the rest do you? I would love to see you analysis for my research. Kidding of course. I merely state what i encounter. Most straight couple do not even want to marry. They are happy being together. So again not a major issue and should be allowed to work itself out. However, gays should allowed to enter civil unions and have the same basic rights as straights like insurance and wills. It is a basic humane right. Just my 2 cents. God bless.
Not doing your homework for you, do a quick google search...here, this should get you started:
youroutsource.org...
www.domesticpartnershipflorida.com...
www.loveandpride.com...
gaymarriage.lifetips.com...
I didn't read any of he sites because...well, I'm not doing your homework for you
...and, since you're new, I'll go ahead and add, I'm not being mean to you, or even contentious, after you post for a few weeks, you'll see that.
Your skin gets really thick, really fast!
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Beanskinner
You might be really surprised to find out how heavily laden the Obama administration is with former Goldman Sachs employees. Do you think it is a coincidence?
my.firedoglake.com...[ed itby]edit on 25-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
I agree completely with everything you said but as long as politics are in the hands of a few then there will
always be corruption! The decision making process should be within the hands of the majority just like voting is!
If we continue down this road we will end up destroying our future! I believe a stateless socialism may be our only road out of this mess but goodluck getting anyone else to realise this! We need to unite the entire world but definately not in the hands of the same oppressors we are now! In the hands of the people united and equal with accountability for all! Lock up all the bankers, politicians, military industrial leaders, heads of the UN, alphabet agencies, heads of state and all others that are complacent in the fleecing of our resources, monies and peoples!
Let out all the non violent offenders! This would be the beginning on the road to fix our world! There is another
GFC coming and after that people will be all about themselves, there will be no Uniting, no saving our futures, no justice, only destruction! Remember what i tell you cause this day will come but only if we continue to do nothing!
Goodluck everyone.
PS. someone once said insanity is doing the same things over and over but expecting different results!
by this insight we are living in a world thats gone insane!
Interesting. You google it. Is that how you do research only? My methods are local to me. If i rely on google or websites then i am submitting myself
to the very establishment that bogs down our mind. I would suggest in meeting a few of these fine human beings and ask them what is important to them.
You will probably surprise yourself in the responses. They want the same basic needs all human beings want. Life, liberty amd the pursuit of
happiness. You may have to step outside and listen. God bless and good luck.
reply to post by PurpleChiten
Roger that and thank you. I have thick skin already from being in the Marines. I welcome good debate. It helps us grow as human beings. Thank you my friend and God bless.
Roger that and thank you. I have thick skin already from being in the Marines. I welcome good debate. It helps us grow as human beings. Thank you my friend and God bless.
Originally posted by LAKOTAWINS
Interesting. You google it. Is that how you do research only? My methods are local to me. If i rely on google or websites then i am submitting myself to the very establishment that bogs down our mind. I would suggest in meeting a few of these fine human beings and ask them what is important to them. You will probably surprise yourself in the responses. They want the same basic needs all human beings want. Life, liberty amd the pursuit of happiness. You may have to step outside and listen. God bless and good luck.
Not good for a doctorate thesis, but just fine for an internet message board
please read the entire thread, I'm one of the folks taking their side in this
Originally posted by LAKOTAWINS
reply to post by PurpleChiten
Roger that and thank you. I have thick skin already from being in the Marines. I welcome good debate. It helps us grow as human beings. Thank you my friend and God bless.
You should probably drop by this link: www.abovetopsecret.com...
And post your introduction on this one: www.abovetopsecret.com...
It'll give you a great start...wish I had gone through all the links when I first started, would have saved me many, many headaches!
We'll all be paid equally soon anyhow - Minimum wage for everyone!!
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Beanskinner
Oh Soros is working alright. He is working toward collapsing the dollar and turning the USA into his vision of Socialist Utopia. Michael Savage explains in his book, "Trickle Up Poverty", how Soros and his band of fund managers raided the market after the elimination of the uptick rule. Soros is who made off with the money after that deregulation.
Obama is in the thick of it.
you are trusting the opinion of a partisan Talk person who's very career depends upon stirring
up division and controversy. That theory, does not make any sense, given where the dollar
came from. And the title Trickle Up Poverty is about the silliest title I have ever heard, the
American Rich are getting more rich with each decade. It is the middle class that is being
left behind. I spent 5 years studying economics and business models, so I'm not gonna listen
to a radio hack who gets wealthy by creating a divisive political climate. In ten years when the
dollar is still the global reserve currency are you gonna care that the book was absolutely wrong?
I suspect it is the drama that compels you to read pseudo intellectual works like that, not the
validity of the research, you enjoy the marketing.
If you believe in the betterment of women, then you should oppose regulatory attempts to increase their wages because in doing so you will hurt them. Forcibly increasing the wages of woman guarantees an increase in the unemployment of woman.
That is priceless it really is lets switch up the words a tad shall we....
If you believe in the betterment of middle class, then you should oppose regulatory attempts to increase their wages because in doing so you will hurt them. Forcibly increasing the wages of the middle class guarantees an increase in the unemployment of middle class workers.
Doh!.
edit on 25-5-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Beanskinner
Just to point out, Obama is no friend to the auto industry or manufacturing industry.
He's looking out for unions.
Not the aspect that hiresand actually creates jobs.
Not neccesarily defending Obama because I frankly don't like him that much, he's just better than the alternative...but...
I prefer that the leaders look out for the people more than they look out for the corporations. At the same time, the corporations do need some attention in order to keep employing the people, but they shouldn't be making grand profits and paying their CEO's extravagant amounts while laying off the workers. That's how companies used to go out of business in the "good old days".
I'd prefer a president that took a hands off approach to business altogether.
Nothing good comes from the intervetion of government.
And what happens when China come in here and buys up all the lose assets, from Utilities
to infrastructure?
Or when China dumps their state subsidized products in America, systematically
putting sectors out of business with below cost prices?
Or how about if the banks gamble away all the peoples bank holdings in another
derivative scheme?
You all or none thought process is a very ignorant one, it gives you no room to be rational
because you have made up your mind based upon feeling, not a case by case weighing of
the situation represented in the facts. Corporatist pray on people like you, they can do anything
they want because you will never detect it.
Originally posted by Beanskinner
Don't talk to to me about it -
You should talk to the other folks and the neocons who like the bankers and such
Approaching derivatives would be communist or something I suspect
edit on 25-5-2012 by Beanskinner because: (no reason given)
I'm totally amazed that there is so much bickering going on about..Well yes people should have equal pay, but it's the ECONOMY we need to deal with debate..And PEOPLE are still IGNORING the $1.4 QUADRILLION $ Gorilla in the ROOM... well cutting taxes, slashing Govt expenditure or stimulating our way out ... will all be a complete waste of time if we don't put a stop to the OUT OF CONTROL GAMBLING or speculation as they like to call it in Derivatives (or BETS as we call them).... as well as thinking about an ECONOMY..Because there won’t be one. (Hence all the indefinite detention, additional snooping bills, more drones ….).
The hypocrisy that bothers me is practically all of our politicians are accepting money from our BIG 5 banks to look the other way to their gambling addiction that really could TOTALLY collapse the whole world’s economy..But hey... it's nothing..Chase only lost another $2 billion on these things the other day...
It's all the Major Banks involved in these massive side bets (GLOBALLY).
2008 was really about institutions not being able to pay the side bets they made on the American home loan market.
Well guess what they have carried on regardless like drunken "gods"
The notional value of the derivative market is roughly $1.4 QUADRILLION.
$1.4 Quadrillion is roughly:
-40 TIMES THE WORLD’S STOCK MARKET.
-10 TIMES the value of EVERY STOCK & EVERY BOND ON THE PLANET.
-23 TIMES WORLD GDP.
For many, alarm bells went off this year when it was revealed that Bank of America has moved a big chunk of derivatives from its failing Merrill Lynch investment banking unit to its depository arm.
So what does that mean?
This means that the investment bank's European derivatives exposure is now backstopped by U.S. taxpayers. Bank of America didn't get regulatory approval to do this; they just did it at the request of frightened counterparties. Now the Fed and the FDIC are fighting as to whether this was sound.
The Fed wants to "give relief" to the bank holding company, which is under heavy pressure.
This is a direct transfer of risk to the taxpayer done by the bank without approval by regulators and without public input.
TARP, aka the monstrous $800 billion bailout of Wall Street "speculators" which was enacted in October 2008 with the support of Bush, Henry Paulson, John McCain and the Obama Democrats.
theeconomiccollapseblog.com...