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and what if we do nothing? what then?..........have you given up? i and many others have not. if he is elected and the changes make things worse before they get better i will go to hell and back to at least try to make things better for my children and someday their children.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by MrRamblinRose
I am a RP supporter but I see the difficulties here. Let's say he gets elected, then what. Where the hell does he start and how much pain will be caused along the way? It's so difficult because there is such a huge mess to clean up! The pain along the way is gonna be very, very hard along the way.
Don't get me wrong, no pain, no gain but I think a lot of people seem to think it will be instant change. There is no such thing.
This OP has really opened my eyes to the real problems that are faced.
Ron Paul for prez! Just be prepared for hardship to make things better.
Exactly and there is something fishy always about the topic of Change... Weather it be good to some and bad for others, why is this change supposedly soooo good? Will it work? What if it doesn't work. The RP cult is really truly sure that RP will do all these things, so they ask. "What if it does work?" I have grown from that mind set, and now all times I ask, what if it doesn't work?
you are concerned about legalizing "pot"???? what is wrong with you? you could probably walk within 3 blocks right now from where you live and buy some anyway. it's so easy it's ridiculous. prohibitioin DOES NOT WORK. you know this already but you won't accept it. and your generalization of young people is insulting.
Originally posted by LoonyConservative
You know, all I hear about is liberties and bringing the troops home.. the last I heard we weren't under a draft.
Meaning you join of your own free will, serve a certain amount of time, and can then leave. Is it not a soldiers liberty to be able to serve his country as often as he wants?
And seriously, when you talk of Ron Paul having the young vote, of course he would. when you have the one guy in the room promising to legalize pot and everything else, then the young will gravitate to that. I'm young myself, been around a lot of young people, and they cannot tell me one good reason why RP is such a good candidate, all I hear is " legal pot dude!" and other nonsensical comments.
Is this country ready for the responsibility that will come with legalized drugs and prostitution?
the simple answer is no. You can give me the talking points of how these things can be taxed etc, but its not going to work the way you think. A legal drinking age is as effective as a lead balloon, and alcohol is taxed but somehow we still to this day have moonshiners and guys brewing their own beer in the shed.
Yea it looks like the medicinal shops in CA are doing so well and working within the constraints of the law(end sarcasm). many are being closed down.
At the risk of personal liberties, how far do we go to tax and enforce Legalized drugs and prostitution laws? seems to me there's a catch 22 in the grand ole libertarian scheme.
Aside from all this, I agree with his monetary policy about 90% thats about it.edit on 11-5-2012 by LoonyConservative because: (no reason given)edit on 11-5-2012 by LoonyConservative because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by eazyriderl_l
I answered your questions at least about the fed reserve and now you won't even acknowledge it so we can move to another of your questions. Still, I will not call you names or insult you even through all of your back-handed remarks. If you really want to debate, lets debate but the longer this runs the less it seems that is what you are really looking for.
Originally posted by LoonyConservative
You know, all I hear about is liberties and bringing the troops home.. the last I heard we weren't under a draft.
Meaning you join of your own free will, serve a certain amount of time, and can then leave. Is it not a soldiers liberty to be able to serve his country as often as he wants?
Is this country ready for the responsibility that will come with legalized drugs and prostitution?
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by rjomaterta
reply to post by jjf3rd77
First of all. Do you understand how the market system and our political system works?
Just by bringing the troops back to the states would not only save the U.S. hundreds of billions of dollars, but the troops overseas would start pumping there money back into the U.S. economy.
By eliminating the income tax would make it easier for anyone to get into the market, invest or create jobs. Plus eliminating the regulations would bring back factories to U.S. The only reason big corporations went overseas is exactly because of regulations, less taxes and cheaper labor. Basically all your dollars are going overseas and that is one reason why the feds need to keep printing.
By eliminating those government agencies, people of course would loose their jobs, but after you open up the markets by eliminating the regulations and taxes those same people will be able to find or create jobs.
He want's to mandate the Fed, if he could he would eliminate it. Private "federal" bank owned by a few banking thugs who are controlling the money supply for their own advantage, printing endlessly and creating inflation.
He want's to pick up the gold standard again. The gold standard would prevent people like the ones who own the fed from printing endless money, so you could only increase the money supply if you had more gold/silver whatever. This would keep inflation/deflation stable and thus the currency would be more stable.
You see most of these regulations where created by lobbyist who work for the companies that those banking thugs own. Most of those regulation are in favor of the big corporations, maintaining their monopoly, and making it harder for smaller corporations to get into the market.
By eliminating those regulations and taxes you are making the playing field even, everyone has the same opportunity to succeed. The monopoly would loose it's base that is keeping them at the top.
You just really need to understand how the market works down to the micro level. If you don't then I understand why you disagree with Ron Paul. But history has shown when you have free markets the growth is much slower but it's more prosperous. Small booms and busts, not big booms and big busts.
Get rid of government insurance and they corporations wont even dare to take loans to expand.
No government insurance + gold standard + no regulations + no private fed = Prosperous, independent and a more responsible society.
Peace from Iceland.
All I am hearing is empty promises with plans that have never even been implemented or proven to work! How is he going to do all of this stuff with only 4% of the current US population behind him?
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
But he does plan on ending so-called corruption. And government oversight inside corporations. So that will make corporations that much more powerful, since they will no longer be obligated to care about their workers. Do you see how dangerous that is to society today? Remember the 1920s?
And for his executive orders, you proved my point. That is being a dictator. But I guess that's ok since those laws are the ones you want even though others in America may not want that!
Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
1) Corrupt-orations will have LESS power as their hands will be removed from the FED's pockets, and the FED's from theirs. The ones that are "too big to fail" will fail, which is a GOOD thing! Any corporation worth anything will be bought up, restructured, and opened for business again. End of Story. I know all about the 1920's; who/what/when/where/why. I have three grandparents still alive who lived through them.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
For all the hateful energy that goes towards the FED. I wonder if you all truly mean what ending the FED would mean. Ending the Fed would mean that states would get to control their own currency. The Fed actually regulates currency for your own good! We would go back to a time where there is way more conflicting currencies on the market than there is now. The powerful corporations today, like Walmart will create something called, Walmart Bucks, they can control their own money open up their own banks and only allow people with Walmart Bucks to shop there!
Do you want to live in a world like that? Where you can only use NJ Walmart Bucks if you were in a Walmart from NJ? It would get quite confusing!edit on 11-5-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
You and I both know that's completely false.
There will be a new reorganized structure that handles currency, and is subject to audits, checks & balances... you know, how it's supposed to be.
Next question.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
You and I both know that's completely false.
There will be a new reorganized structure that handles currency, and is subject to audits, checks & balances... you know, how it's supposed to be.
Next question.
RIGHT.......Cause it always goes exactly how it should be when it comes to government. Tell me, what happens when this new "Government sponsored corporation" gets too powerful and flies through the same loopholes the FED did?
Originally posted by Doalrite
someone once said that we need a Revolution every hundred years........ can you guess who
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
RIGHT.......Cause it always goes exactly how it should be when it comes to government. Tell me, what happens when this new "Government sponsored corporation" gets too powerful and flies through the same loopholes the FED did?
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
1) Corrupt-orations will have LESS power as their hands will be removed from the FED's pockets, and the FED's from theirs. The ones that are "too big to fail" will fail, which is a GOOD thing! Any corporation worth anything will be bought up, restructured, and opened for business again. End of Story. I know all about the 1920's; who/what/when/where/why. I have three grandparents still alive who lived through them.
For all the hateful energy that goes towards the FED. I wonder if you all truly mean what ending the FED would mean. Ending the Fed would mean that states would get to control their own currency. The Fed actually regulates currency for your own good! We would go back to a time where there is way more conflicting currencies on the market than there is now. The powerful corporations today, like Walmart will create something called, Walmart Bucks, they can control their own money open up their own banks and only allow people with Walmart Bucks to shop there!
Do you want to live in a world like that? Where you can only use NJ Walmart Bucks if you were in a Walmart from NJ? It would get quite confusing!edit on 11-5-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by rjomaterta
That's called a monopoly and in a free market they don't usually survive long because of competition. Someone else comes along and offers a better deal.
Originally posted by LoonyConservative
You know, all I hear about is liberties and bringing the troops home.. the last I heard we weren't under a draft.
Meaning you join of your own free will, serve a certain amount of time, and can then leave. Is it not a soldiers liberty to be able to serve his country as often as he wants?
And seriously, when you talk of Ron Paul having the young vote, of course he would. when you have the one guy in the room promising to legalize pot and everything else, then the young will gravitate to that. I'm young myself, been around a lot of young people, and they cannot tell me one good reason why RP is such a good candidate, all I hear is " legal pot dude!" and other nonsensical comments.
Is this country ready for the responsibility that will come with legalized drugs and prostitution?
the simple answer is no. You can give me the talking points of how these things can be taxed etc, but its not going to work the way you think. A legal drinking age is as effective as a lead balloon, and alcohol is taxed but somehow we still to this day have moonshiners and guys brewing their own beer in the shed.
Yea it looks like the medicinal shops in CA are doing so well and working within the constraints of the law(end sarcasm). many are being closed down.
At the risk of personal liberties, how far do we go to tax and enforce Legalized drugs and prostitution laws? seems to me there's a catch 22 in the grand ole libertarian scheme.
Aside from all this, I agree with his monetary policy about 90% thats about it.edit on 11-5-2012 by LoonyConservative because: (no reason given)edit on 11-5-2012 by LoonyConservative because: (no reason given)