A few things I want to clear up for some who may not have been following this case....
Kelly Thomas was mentally ill. I am not so sure it was a case of him refusing to follow directions as much as it may have been a case of just not
fully understanding. Which is why you see him put his legs out, then bring his knees up and put his hands on his knees. At this point the officer was
telling him to put his legs out and put his hands on his knees. Eventually he got it right, but as you can see it takes him a minute. Just like he
sat down as he was told, but you can see them go back and forth because apparently Kelly Thomas was not sitting in the exact spot he was told to
Now, let's get into this video...
If anyone here on ATS can clean up the audio to remove the background noise, I think it would be very interesting to hear much more of the interaction
between Thomas and the Police.
I see a few things in this video. For starters, and what everyone here should take note of, is that this really started over Kelly Thomas not giving
Police his name. Again, keep in mind he is mentally ill. So he is refusing or possibly unable to do so. In any event, this is all about his failure to
give his name.
What bothers me most about this fact is that at one point, as the Officer is leaning against his car prior to telling Kelly Thomas to sit down, the
Officer says something to the effect of getting a call about Thomas and checking him out every single day. So your gonna tell me, this mentally ill
homeless man is such a nuisance that Police stop him daily, but no one knows his name? He is stopped daily by Police, and he is such a threat that he
must be identified immediately? This whole aspect is mind boggling to me. A man who has not committed a crime, beaten to death by Police who
stopped him for no good reason, who according to the Officer is talked to by them "every single day", all because he didn't give you a name that could
have easily been found by a little thing called "police work" considering he is spoken to "every single day"?
I am also very interested in the interaction between the Officer and the man with the bald head and white t-shirt who intervenes and speaks to the
Officer. I was unable to make out anything that was said, but I would really love to hear it.
It does not appear to me that Kelly Thomas "ran". It was more of walking away. It did not appear to me that he was really attempting to get away. In a
lot of ways I think I understand Kelly Thomas doing this, he was just threatened by the cop. What I find interesting about this part of the video is
that the Officer is basically busting his balls for the sake of busting his balls. Kelly Thomas had been sitting in that same position for some time,
now all the sudden he has to be repositioned and told to sit a specific way? For what purpose? This whole portion of the video is amazing. It is so
senseless that it is beyond belief.
I am not so sure Kelly Thomas was refusing orders to put his hands behind his back. If you watch closely when the second Officer comes in, he gets on
Thomas's back and grabs his arm and puts it behind his back. He then cranks the arm upwards into a chicken wing type of position, while driving him
face down into the ground. Anyone who has been in such a position can tell you, when this happens it is a natural reaction to move forward and
relieve the pressure being put on your arm and shoulder. You have to. This is a very painful maneuver. While this is happening he is also being
punched in the face and head by the first Officer. So at this point it is physically impossible for him to follow the orders he is being given.
We also see this same thing several times. At one point Officers are laying on top of Kelly Thomas while yelling at him to roll over, which looking at
the size of the Officer I can see why it would be difficult. This is also one of the more disturbing parts for me. It was at this point, when Thomas
failed to roll over with a large man laying on top of him, that the Officer hits him numerous times in the head with what looks like a flashlight and
baton. According to California DA Thomas was hit with the butt end of the tazer. Which ever it was, it was disgusting. At this point Kelly Thomas is
not a threat. He is pinned down on the ground and being held down by 2 larger, trained Police Officers. There was absolutely no need to strike him
repeatedly for failure to comply with an order that can not be followed cause he is being pinned down!!
Anyone notice the Officer who appears to be kneeling with his hands on the car? According to the California DA, this Officer had laid the portion of
his leg from ankle to knee into Kelly Thomas's neck. Is it any wonder he is saying he can't breathe?
Only a few more points I'd like to make but it will have to wait for the next post. I'm out of room.
edit on 8-5-2012 by MrWendal because: (no reason given)