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Originally posted by Greatest I am
I am French. French has no word that equates to freedom or free will as understood by the English. This makes freedom and land of the free pure rhetorical statements and basically a dishonest statement. These terms are ideas or a reality that are impossible to have.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Freedom and free will then just becomes something that I would name as liberty. Liberty is described as permission especially to go freely within specified limits. That says to me that we are only free to follow the rules of society and those in power.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
That being the case, is land of the free a true and meaningful expression?
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Would it be more accurate to say land of liberty to follow the rules?
Originally posted by Greatest I am
"Free will is defined as freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.
Free will translates to being your own master and not having your will hampered by any outside influence not of your choosing.
Does any law or divine command negate free will, freedom of choice and the notion of a ---- Land of the free?
Rhetoric is described as language that is not honest, sincere, or meaningful.
I am French. French has no word that equates to freedom or free will as understood by the English. This makes freedom and land of the free pure rhetorical statements and basically a dishonest statement. These terms are ideas or a reality that are impossible to have.
Freedom and free will then just becomes something that I would name as liberty. Liberty is described as permission especially to go freely within specified limits. That says to me that we are only free to follow the rules of society and those in power.
That being the case, is land of the free a true and meaningful expression?
Would it be more accurate to say land of liberty to follow the rules?
Free will is defined as freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.
Free will translates to being your own master and not having your will hampered by any outside influence not of your choosing.
Does any law or divine command negate free will, freedom of choice and the notion of a ---- Land of the free?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
You bring up a very interesting idea. Here in the United States, the words "Freedom" and "Free" are used very casually to describe our life here, but I don't think people really think of understand what true freedom means.
I remember my father, who was an immigrant from Serbia, tell me that he was so thrilled to come to the United States because of all the talk about being free and having freedom, only to get here and learn that it is not so free after all. He said there are signs everywhere which told him what he couldn't do, and all kinds of laws and taxes, and he was confused, because the movies he saw from Hollywood showed something different.
I think what the US means as "Free", means the ability to travel as one wants without having to show papers (although that is now changing), free to choose your own line of work, and free to worship as you like. Freedom of Speech, the Right to Bear Arms, The Right to Peaceably Assemble, the Right to Be Free From Unreasonable Search and Seizure, and The Right Not to Incriminate Ourselves have been infringed upon, soon to disappear and only become a distant memory.
"Freedom" is political rhetoric, a lot of hot air, and the term used more frequently by blow-hard politicians now that there is a lot less of it
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
When the brave were replaced by the politically correct the free were enslaved.
Originally posted by redhorse
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Absolute freedom is anarchy, yet any law hampers freedom, and yet again without laws and social order there can be no freedom. Absolute freedom does not exist. Nor does absolute anything.
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Originally posted by benrl
Honestly... If you ignore the tv, avoid public transportation and air travel...
I still feel pretty free.
My day to day life honestly, hasn't changed, post 911 and pre 911 patriot act, my actual functioning day to day life really hasn't...
What has changed is my BELIEF in freedom has changed, I don't know if we ever had it, and if all this Land of the Free, home of the brave is just part of the Gilded cage.
Debt is not freedom, wage slavery is not either.
I think because of the Internet all that has happened is now we are aware of the bars imposed upon us.edit on 6-5-2012 by benrl because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Hongkongphooey
So in the end the only different freedom he could cite was the right to bare arms, so there you have it folks! It's all about guns.
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Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by Hongkongphooey
I remember when I was in canada a while back, there was a story on the news there about the hearing of a man who was going to go to jail because of his Anti-semetic remarks...
That is one thing we still have no matter how much people say we don't Freedom of speech, I know I can say pretty much anything and I wont be thrown in jail...
I can criticize the government, the president personally and I still wont get in trouble.